Re: Primary Stem Formants: -*H, -*i/y, -*u/w

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> On 2008-04-07 20:21, Patrick Ryan wrote:
>
> > (6.) *werH1-, 'say ceremoniously, speak'
> >
> > It will be my contention that:
> >
> > a. *wer- is the root; and
> >
> > b. -*H(1) is a root extension.
> >
> > I have put the subscript in parentheses to indicate my

unwillingness

> > to accept a threefold classification of the 'laryngeal'.
>
> And your contention is based on what?
>
> > 1. My first argument is that there are only two root-forms in PIE:
> > *CV- and *CVC(V)-.
>
> Who says that? I have yet to see a PIE lexical root of the form *CV-
>
> > 2. Pokorny recognizes a root *wer-; will you say he is in error?
>
> Yes, he is. First, Pokorny uses a hopelessly outdated

reconstruction

> system without any lareyngeals, so what else did you expect? LIV

has

> three different roots reconstructed as *wer-, but none of them

matches

> *werh1- semantically. If *wer- appears anywhere, it's in forms like

the

> *-je/o- present *werje/o- (Gk. eíro:, Hitt. weriyezzi), but the

loss of

> syllable-initial laryngeals before *j is was regular already in PIE
> (Pinault's Law).
>
> > 3. Pokorny records a form *wre:-; do you dispute that it exists?
>
> Of course I do. The primary source of Gk. (*w)re:- is *wr.h1-.
>
> > 4. If you admit that it exists (as *wreH-, of course), how do you
> > explain it from*werH-?
>
> Like above. *wr.h1- > (*w)re:- is a well-known regular change in

Greek.

>
> Piotr
>

SAnd in this case you need to accept first the Lost of laryngeal in
Latin verbum as I have already indicated to Miguel and to you in this
forum.

Marius