Re: Hachmann versus Kossack?

From: george knysh
Message: 56962
Date: 2008-04-07

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh
> <gknysh@...> wrote:
> > --- george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
> > > --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > And by "Wenden" etc. do they mean Slavic or
> something
> > > > > else?****
> > > >
> > > > Erh, they? As I understand it, most if not all
> (you never know)
> > > > of the people who named those places are dead.
> Perhaps you
> > > > want to reconsider your statement about an
> Atlantic - Baltic
> > > > Veneti connection?
> >
> > ****GK: My earlier statement doesn't deny this
> > (following Hubert and others). But I would prefer
> > reviewing more recent possibilities first.****
> > >
> > > GK: The big Slav push of the 6th century reached
> > > beyond the Elbe, and into Thuringia (outlier
> > > groups).
> > > So there would be nothing strange if some
> isolated
> > > elements got as far as Minden.
> >
> > GK: Another obvious possibility to consider is
> > whether these Western "Wends" represent a much
> later
> > colonization from the eastern marches,
> transplanted
> > there in the context of some
> military/administrative
> > activities of the 10th-13th centuries. Something
> > similar to the "Torki" of the Ros' river south of
> > Kyiv, or the "Pecheneg"(their name) villages in
> > Galicia. Local investigators in the Minden area
> might
> > have theories. Was there anything published in
> Germany
> > similar to Ukraine's "History of the towns and
> > villages of the Ukrainian S.S.R." (a massive
> 26-volume
> > undertaking of the late '60's and early '70's
> which
> > has extremely interesting details of local history
> and
> > prehistory?
>
>
> Kuhn does consider it and brackets out, on the side
> of caution, all
> Wend- names in Thuringia and also in Hesse. The rest
> he views as safe.
> I'll get back to the article tomorrow, it's getting
> too late for
> translating from German.
>
> Moving Wends to Western Germany I think would have
> made us much sense
> to German administrators as to American
> administrators the idea of
> moving the Navajo to Pennsylvania. I don't think
> they did it.

****GK: There were Wend collaborationists. I don't see
why Germans should automatically be exempt from a
tactic employed in many other contexts. Only careful
examination can tell. No a priori exclusions.****
>
>
> Torsten
>
>
>



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