Re: Hachmann versus Kossack?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

> --- george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
> > --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > > And by "Wenden" etc. do they mean Slavic or something
> > > > else?****
> > >
> > > Erh, they? As I understand it, most if not all (you never know)
> > > of the people who named those places are dead. Perhaps you
> > > want to reconsider your statement about an Atlantic - Baltic
> > > Veneti connection?
>
> ****GK: My earlier statement doesn't deny this
> (following Hubert and others). But I would prefer
> reviewing more recent possibilities first.****
> >
> > GK: The big Slav push of the 6th century reached
> > beyond the Elbe, and into Thuringia (outlier
> > groups).
> > So there would be nothing strange if some isolated
> > elements got as far as Minden.
>
> ****GK: Another obvious possibility to consider is
> whether these Western "Wends" represent a much later
> colonization from the eastern marches, transplanted
> there in the context of some military/administrative
> activities of the 10th-13th centuries. Something
> similar to the "Torki" of the Ros' river south of
> Kyiv, or the "Pecheneg"(their name) villages in
> Galicia. Local investigators in the Minden area might
> have theories. Was there anything published in Germany
> similar to Ukraine's "History of the towns and
> villages of the Ukrainian S.S.R." (a massive 26-volume
> undertaking of the late '60's and early '70's which
> has extremely interesting details of local history and
> prehistory?****

Kuhn does consider it and brackets out, on the side of caution, all
Wend- names in Thuringia and also in Hesse. The rest he views as safe.
I'll get back to the article tomorrow, it's getting too late for
translating from German.

Moving Wends to Western Germany I think would have made us much sense
to German administrators as to American administrators the idea of
moving the Navajo to Pennsylvania. I don't think they did it.


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