Re: Side issue: the Yastorf Gubin group

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>

In

> the course of the
> last pre-Christian century a number of landscapes in
> central Europe
> lost almost their entire population, thus the area
> between the mouths
> of the Weser and Elbe, the Altmark [around Stendal],
> southern Mark
> Brandenburg,

****GK: These were all Jastorf culture areas.****


the Lausitz and Lower Silesia 82;

****GK: We know where the Przeworkers went. But Gubin
Yastorf?....****

> overpopulation can not
> have been the reason for that. Also exhaustion of
> the fields cannot
> have been the case at least in those cases where
> settled areas in the
> neighborhood, comparable wrt their character and
> quality, kept their
> population constant. Also the label Wanderlust is
> probably imprecise.
> Many population groups only took to wandering due to
> calamity. Their
> expressed wish for areas to settle, again and again
> remarked on by the
> Romans, sounds genuine, their permanence in newly
> won areas of
> settlement testifies against any inborn impulse to
> wander. Finally
> also a "Drang nach Süden" have played an although
> minor role. While
> namely on the Rhine Suebian and Lugian groups
> appear,

****GK: Lugians= Przeworkers (Wetterau). It would be
nice to know what his archaeological (as opposed to
literary) evidence is for the Suebians.*****

while central

> Germany becomes riddled with Lugian Settlers,

****GK: The Przeworkers of Thuringia ****

while

> in Northeast
> Bohemia and even in Eastern Romania groups from the
> North settle

****GK: Who are they? Does he elsewhere say?****

and

> while Marbod transfers his Marcomanni to Bohemia,
> begins slowly in
> Scandinavia a settling of the country, progressing
> from the South
> towards the North, and from the coast to the
> interior 83.

****GK: Who are they? Do you have access to Grieg and
Haugen?****

>
>
> 82 Cf.
> R. Hachmann, 41. Ber. RGK 1960, 160 f.
> (Area of the mouth of the Elbe);
> P. L. B. Kupka, Jahresschrift 15, 1927, 65 ff.
> (Altmark);
> K. Tackenberg, Wandalen in Niederschlesien (1927)
> 125
> (Lausitz u. Niederschlesien).
>
> 83 Under the impression of the information of
> Jordanes, that
> Scandinavia is a "vagina gentium" (Jord. IV 25), the
> numerous
> archaeological evidence of this process has till now
> hardly been
> noticed, let alone collected. -
> Cf. eg.:
> S. Grieg, Hadelands eldste Bosetningshistorie (1926)
> 16 ff. 116 ff.
> Fig. 16 u. 80;
> Bj. Haugen, Fra Seter til gård (1947) 116 ff. 140
> ff. 151 ff.
> Fig. 12-13. 15-16. 23-24.
> "
>
> Torsten

****GK: P.S. What happened to all the missing
Yastorfers: Weser-Elbe, Altmark, Brandenburg, Gubin?
Where did they go?****

>
>
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