From: george knysh
Message: 56706
Date: 2008-04-04
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh****GK: Actually no. It's a simpler question. There is
> <gknysh@...> wrote:
> >
> > Torsten,
> >
> > Do your sources have anything to say about the
> fate of
> > this group in the West?
> >
> >
> Cf.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_in_Antiquity
> >
> > Here:
> >
> > "At the time of the Suebi tribal confederation led
> by
> > Ariovistus arrival in Gaul, a rapid decrease of
> the
> > settlement density can be observed in the areas of
> the
> > upper and middle Oder River basin. In fact the
> Gubin
> > group of the Jastorf culture disappeared then
> > entirely, which may indicate this group's identity
> > with one of the Suebi tribes. The western regions
> of
> > the Przeworsk culture were also vacated (Lower
> > Silesia, Lubusz Land and western Greater Poland),
> > which is where the tribes accompanying the Suebi
> > tribes must had come from. Burial sites and
> artifacts
> > characteristic of the Przeworsk culture have been
> > found in Saxony, Thuringia and Hesse, on the route
> of
> > the Suebi offensive."
>
> I take that as a question of what my sources say
> happened to the
> remains of Ariovistus' army after the defeat
> inflicted on them by Caesar.
> Hachmann, p. 67-68****GK: See my comments between the lines.****
>****GK: I was thinking about a slightly earlier
>
> "The history of the Rhine area in the time around he
> birth of Christ
> is thus mainly determined by two forces, by the****GK: Which began in the second quarter of the 1rst
> imperialism of the
> Roman empire, pushing for expansion, and by the
> developing, likewise
> expansive dynamic of predominantly Suebian tribes.
> Between both****GK: So roughly ca.60-40 BCE ****
> forces, in Caesar's time
> ethnically****GK: Four groups. And we were told the intrusive
> heterogenous, in certain norms of behaviour
> remarkably static
> population; Celtic, closely related to Celtic,
> Germanic and groups
> related to the Germani belonged to it.
> of the Sueui****GK: There is another passage (I'll try to locate
> induced movement also in these groups. When the
> Romans, however, took
> up the task of ending the perpetual unrest on the
> Rhine border, the
> Sueui for the most part retreated to the Southeast.
> The force of the
> attack therefore did not hit them, but the
> autochthonous population.
> It was partly scattered and resettled, partly,
> however, they rose so
> determinedly against the Roman attack, that it had
> to be aborted. The
> Romans withdrew to the Rhine border. Now the remains
> of the old
> population could regroup and consolidate. They did
> this without their
> social structure changing essentially.
> That's all I found.
>****GK: Now THAT is interesting if accurate. Because
> I found a passage which mentions, BTW, a fibula
> found in Alsace,
> plausibly connected with Ariovistus' expedition. It
> is Elbe Germanic.
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