From: tgpedersen
Message: 56694
Date: 2008-04-04
>That can't be true. They 'made stronger' (pp, tt, kk > pf, ts, (dial.)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> >From: tgpedersen
>
> <It's interesting that geminates at first were excepted from the 2nd
> >(High German) sound shift
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_German_consonant_shift
> >see 'Phase 1'
> >which is what one would expect if the Chatti etc were the ones who
> >gave these words (and pronunciations) to Germanic and themselves
> >became a lower social layer in the emerging Ariovistus-Germanic
> >culture in Thuringia and further south in Germany.
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DeutschesSprachgebiet962.png
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:German_dialectal_map.PNG
> >Torsten
> ====================
>
> The OHG shift is basically a kind of reinforcement.
> Geminates are already strong from a phonological viewpoint.
> Hierarchy : tt > t > d > s > h
> They are not affected because they are already strong.
> The dialectal map reminds me of the Spanish Reconquistahttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Spanish_reconquista.gif
>
>That's what I've been claiming all the time.
> This reconquista accounts for present-day dialects.
> It's an West to East layered system.
>
> Palatalization in Western URalic is a northern feature :
> Finnish and Moksha are not palatal
> Karelian and Erzia are palatalized.
> This is coherent with these people expanding from the East.
>
> The German dialectal map is a North/South layered system
> indicating Germans came from the East.
> (I suppose we are sure they couldn't come from the west side)