Re: 'Vocalic Theory'

On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:48:05 -0500, "Patrick Ryan"
<proto-language@...> wrote:

>> >Why should length negate the coloring?
>> >
>> >You are wanting to come out at *o:(w)yóm.
>> >
>> >And what would have made *o: originally long??? Nostratic had no phonemic
>> >long vowels!
>>
>> Vr.ddhi is a PIE derivational process. I'm not aware of
>> anything similar elsewhere.
>
>***
>
>Certainly, you are not going to invoke vr.ddhi!
>
>Are you actually proposing vr.ddhi for PIE?

Yes.

>You said "originally long".
>
>So far as I know, it is not generally PIE.
>
>And, if you think it is, please tell us under what circumstances it comes
>into play - not in IIr but in PIE.

In the derivation of thematic forms.

Some cases of vr.ddhi are very old indeed. That explains the
full grade in most thematic nouns, adjectives and verbs. The
root was lengthened, the stress fell on the thematic vowel
(e.g. **bhar- => **bha:r-á-). Subsequently, the long vowel
was shortened in pretonic position, and attracted the stress
(**bha:r-á- > *bhér-e-).

The cases in which PIE still has a long vowel are more
recent (*h2owi- => *h2o:wi-óm). That is simply because
vr.ddhi remained a productive derivational pattern.

>> >> I already gave a concrete example: the ah2-stem Ins.sg.
>> >> *-ojh2ah1.
>> >
>> >***
>> >
>> >And I explained it satisfactorily.
>>
>> I have no recollection of that. What was your explanation?
>>
>
>***
>-y-Ha(:).

That's hardly satisfactory. We have three morphemes here:
the thematic vowel (*-o-), the feminine marker *-yeh2- ~
*-ih2-, and the instrumental ending *-eh1. The combine as
*-o-yh2-ah1, with colouring of the instrumental ending by
the *h2 of the feminine.


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