Re: Volcae and Volsci

From: tgpedersen
Message: 56183
Date: 2008-03-29

--- In, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:
> At 11:52:09 PM on Friday, March 28, 2008, Rick McCallister
> wrote:
> > --- Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <miguelc@...> wrote:
> > . . .
> >> Henry Lewis and Holger Pedersen in "A Concise Comparative
> >> Celtic Grammar" (1937, 3rd. ed. 1974) posit Kluge's law
> >> for Celtic.
> > . . .
> >>  Ir. <crocenn> etc. (primitive Celt. *krokno-);
> >> Ir. <cnocc> 'hill' MnIr. <cnoc> OBr. <cnoch> MlBr.
> >> <knech> MnBr. <kreac'h> W. <cnwch> 'joint, knuckle' : ON.
> >> <hnakki> 'neck'.
> > Are you sure about *krokno-?
> > The <n> of cnocc, cnoc is pronounced /r/
> In the modern language, and I believe not in all dialects.
> > but ON hnakki points to **knokno- doesn't it?
> So, I think, do the Celtic data. (And without Kluge's law
> Matasovic has PCelt. *knokko- 'protuberance, hill'.
My Dansk Etymologisk Ordbog has
kno ("knuckle"), ODa knoe, knue, OSw knoe, Sw. knoge, ON knui; from
PGemc *knu:wan of the PIE root *gn-eu-, an extension opf *gen- "(smt.)
squeeze(d) together". To the same extension ON kn0‹5ja "push, hit", ODa.
kny "move, rock", Serb. gnj¨¢viti "push".
knogle "large bone of human or animal", ODa. id. and knugel, kn0‹3gel,
Da. also knokkel, No. knokkel; loan from MLG knokel, kn0‹2kel, corr. to
LGerm. knukkel, MHG kn¨¹chel, Germ. Kn¨¹chel, OE cnucel, Eng. knuckle,
ON knykill, "small knob, protruberance"; actually a diminutive of MLG
knoke, Germ. Knochen, No. knoke "knuckle, bone", in ablaut relation to
ON knj¨²kr "tall, steep, round rock", to PIE *gn-eu-g^-, an extension
of *gen- (see 1. knap), as in Da. knuge, Lith. gni¨¢uz^iu "close one's
hand firmly"

How do they fit in (he asked with feigned na0Š7vet¨¦)? And (anticipating
the answer) if they are unrelated, how come this one does the Kluge
thing too?