Re[5]: [tied] Re: Finnish KASKI

At 2:05:58 PM on Friday, March 28, 2008, Patrick Ryan wrote:

> From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>

>> At 5:48:44 AM on Friday, March 28, 2008, Patrick Ryan wrote:

>>> From: "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>

>>>> From: Patrick Ryan

>>>>>> 1) English - English schoolboy German e.g that <->
>>>>>> das, two <-> <zwei> /sfai/.

>>>>> Only if they had an incompetent teacher. It is /tsWai/.

>>>> I've been taught /tsvaj/

>>> You have been taught wrong.

>> /tsvaj/ is correct; <w> here is /v/, which is realized
>> either as [v] or as the corresponding approximant, IPA
>> script-v, X-SAMPA [v\].

> More fuzzy thinking, Brian.

> How can /tsvaj/ be "correct" if it can be realized in two
> different ways?

Because it's a *phonemic* representation: that's what the
slants mean. Your objection would hold water only if Arnaud
had written '[tsvaj]', with square brackets. (This isn't
the first time that you've confused phones and phonemes.)

Brian