From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 56132
Date: 2008-03-28
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
To: "Patrick Ryan" <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:08 AM
Subject: Re[3]: [tied] Re: Finnish KASKI
> At 5:48:44 AM on Friday, March 28, 2008, Patrick Ryan wrote:
>
> > From: "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
>
> >> From: Patrick Ryan
>
> >>>> 1) English - English schoolboy German e.g that <-> das,
> >>>> two <-> <zwei> /sfai/.
>
> >>> Only if they had an incompetent teacher. It is /tsWai/.
>
> >> I've been taught /tsvaj/
>
> > You have been taught wrong.
>
> /tsvaj/ is correct; <w> here is /v/, which is realized
> either as [v] or as the corresponding approximant, IPA
> script-v, X-SAMPA [v\].
>
> Brian
***
More fuzzy thinking, Brian.
How can /tsvaj/ be "correct" if it can be realized in two different ways?
It is a mark of a non-native German to pronounce /v/ here - a dead giveaway
like alveolar rather than dental apicals.
Normal German is the approximant: [v\].
Patrick