From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 56102
Date: 2008-03-28
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From: etherman23
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> What should this suffix be H2ter
> instead of -ter ?
father: *ph2ter
mother: *meh2ter
brother: *bHreh2ter
daughter: *dHugh2ter
brother's wife: *yenh2ter
Odd coincidence if *h2 is not part of the suffix.
RAy
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What does this suffix really mean ?
That long, with three consonants
It must be a separate word.
Arnaud
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> This approach makes any connection
> with gen-H1-ter impossible ?
Correct. This word derives from the root *genh1 with the actor suffix
*ter.
RAy
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How do you explain Greek e-gento
with no H1 starting with this *genH1- root
Arnaud
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> > > *t&_b- "young bull"
> > PIE *tauros
> > Eg s_&_b
> > PIE *tauros is a Semitic borrowing,
>>RAy
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> This is an interesting assertion to be discussed.
>
> On account of :
> Skrt sthu:ra with t-h-
> and Eg s_&_b with &
> there is a pharyngeal in this word,
>
> No trace of it in
> Arabic thawr
> Hebrew sho:r
>
> This is a LW from PIE into Semitic.
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Eg s^sr (<*cVr perhaps)
Semitic t_awr
South Cushitic cawr
RAy
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Eg can't have any relationship.
South Cushitic is related to a PAA root
meaning "meat"
Check Starostin.
Conclusion :
Semitic is a isolated word.
And Berber means old camel !!
Arnaud
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I'm skeptical but perhaps also related are:
Central Chadic ciw(ar) elephant
Low East Cushitic s^Vr (< *cVr) hippopotamus
Omotic s^awr (< *cawr) rhinoceros
Now that I look at this root again, perhaps it's Nostratic.
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No comments.
See below
Arnaud
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> And you can look at :
> Arabic baqar "cattle" < *pekw
>
> You are inverting the direction of LWs.
Semitic bak'ar
Berber buGir CAMEL
West Chadic bak'ur DUIKER
East Chadic barki
With metathesis
Central Chadic kVbVr
High East Cushitic kobir
This root is widespread enough that it's from PAA.
This might also be a Nostratic root. Cf. Altaic *phokhi ox
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Widespread !!
Camel, duiker, elephant, meat, hippo
Kiddin
I don't call this a root.
Can't you see that Altaic and some Uralic words
obviously are from Russian Byk "cow, ox"
Arnaud
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