Re: tauros (was Re: [tied] Re: Finnish KASKI)

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 56102
Date: 2008-03-28

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From: etherman23

> =============
> What should this suffix be H2ter
> instead of -ter ?
father: *ph2ter
mother: *meh2ter
brother: *bHreh2ter
daughter: *dHugh2ter
brother's wife: *yenh2ter
Odd coincidence if *h2 is not part of the suffix.
What does this suffix really mean ?
That long, with three consonants
It must be a separate word.


> This approach makes any connection
> with gen-H1-ter impossible ?
Correct. This word derives from the root *genh1 with the actor suffix
How do you explain Greek e-gento
with no H1 starting with this *genH1- root
> ==============
> > > *t&_b- "young bull"
> > PIE *tauros
> > Eg s_&_b
> > PIE *tauros is a Semitic borrowing,
> ===========
> This is an interesting assertion to be discussed.
> On account of :
> Skrt sthu:ra with t-h-
> and Eg s_&_b with &
> there is a pharyngeal in this word,
> No trace of it in
> Arabic thawr
> Hebrew sho:r
> This is a LW from PIE into Semitic.


Eg s^sr (<*cVr perhaps)
Semitic t_awr
South Cushitic cawr
Eg can't have any relationship.
South Cushitic is related to a PAA root
meaning "meat"
Check Starostin.
Conclusion :
Semitic is a isolated word.

And Berber means old camel !!

I'm skeptical but perhaps also related are:

Central Chadic ciw(ar) elephant
Low East Cushitic s^Vr (< *cVr) hippopotamus
Omotic s^awr (< *cawr) rhinoceros

Now that I look at this root again, perhaps it's Nostratic.

No comments.
See below
> And you can look at :
> Arabic baqar "cattle" < *pekw
> You are inverting the direction of LWs.

Semitic bak'ar
Berber buGir CAMEL
West Chadic bak'ur DUIKER
East Chadic barki

With metathesis
Central Chadic kVbVr
High East Cushitic kobir

This root is widespread enough that it's from PAA.

This might also be a Nostratic root. Cf. Altaic *phokhi ox
Widespread !!
Camel, duiker, elephant, meat, hippo
I don't call this a root.

Can't you see that Altaic and some Uralic words
obviously are from Russian Byk "cow, ox"