Re: Slav names from *Walh-

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 56009
Date: 2008-03-26

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> > <miguelc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:03:19 -0000, "tgpedersen"
> > > <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >I know the various Polish and Russian names from PGmc. *walh.
> > > >"southern foreigner" in -lo-/-olo- probably follow ordinary
> rules
> > of
> > > >derivation from Proto-Proto-Slav. -al-.
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymology_of_Vlach
> > > >I just want to be sure: Are we absolutely certain all Slavic
> forms
> > > >from Germanic *walh- are from exactly that form in -al- and not
> > > >something earlier (I'm thinking of the original -ol- in Celtic
> > Volcae)?
> > >
> > > Since Slavic did not distinguish between /o/ and /a/, that
> > > would be hard to tell. The /h/, however, shows it was
> > > borrowed from Germanic *walh-.
> > >
> > > =======================
> > > Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> > > miguelc@
> > >
> >
> >
> > ... and if you will go further Vallachia is finally linked with
> > Walhalla - the great hall in Norse mythology where heroes slain
in
> > battle are received
> >
> > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/valhalla
> >
> > Marius
> >
>
>
> Valhalla
> heavenly hall in which Odin receives the souls of heroes slain in
> battle, 1768, from O.N. Valhöll "hall of the battle-slain;" first
> element from valr "those slain in battle,"
>
> "
> from P.Gmc. *walaz (cf. O.E. wæl "slaughter, bodies of the slain,"
> O.H.G. wal "battlefield, slaughter"),
> from PIE base *wele- "to strike, wound"
> (cf. Avestan vareta- "seized, prisoner,"
> L. veles "ghosts of the dead,"
> O.Ir. fuil "blood,"
> Welsh gwel "wound").
>
> Second element is from höll "hall," from PIE base *kel- "to
conceal"
> (see cell). Reintroduced by 18c. antiquaries. Figurative sense is
> from 1845
> "
>
> http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Valhalla
>
> Marius
>

Matasovic for Celtic Cognates

"Proto-Indo-European: *welh2/3- 'wound'

Proto-Celtic: *weli- 'blood' [Noun]

Old Irish: fuil [i f]

Middle Welsh: gweli 'blood, wound'

Middle Breton: goulyow [p]

Cornish: goly

Page in Pokorny: 1144f.

IE cognates: Lat. uolnus, Gr. oulḗ 'scar'

Notes: The laryngeal is implied by Lat. -ln- (from *-lan- by syncope;
original *ln would have been assimilated to ll, cp. tollo 'take' <
*tolnō). W gweli and the other British forms cannot be derived
directly from the proto-form *weli-, but rather presuppose some kind
of suffix, perhaps *-īso- (Pokorny).

References: De Bernardo Stempel 1999: 65, 73, EIEC 650.
"


Marius