Re: dhuga:ter

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 55596
Date: 2008-03-21

----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Ryan

Well, let us cut this down to manageable size.

Prove to me than PIE *z existed.


I will limit the documentation
to roots with *z and *dz as C1
and labials as C2.

I have stated that

- Western PIE : Italic + Celtic
have H2 as reflex of *z and *dz
Anatolian too has H2
- Eastern PIE : has *y

NB : Greek is often mixed :
H1 H2 y or z as results.

Existence of *z and *dz
can only be made clear
by external evidence
(Kartvelian, Semitic, etc)

Cognates :

*dzaw "wind"
IE H2ew < *dz_w
Skrt yaw-nika
Arabic zawba&

*zam "bridle"
Latin amentum
Skrt yama
Arabic zimam

*zam "period of time, day"
Greek he:mera
Skrt ya:ma
Arabic zaman

*zam "to dig, shovel"
Grec amê
Slavic yama
Egyptian zm- "bury"

*dzam "to flow into another river"
Greek amaros
Hittite amiyar
skrt yam-
Chinese jian4 < *dzam

*zab "cereal"
Latin av-esna
LAtin substrate sabaia
Skrt yava
Georgian zibziba
Tokharian yap
Greek zeia (anomic)

*zabh "(male) sexe"
Grec oiphô
Skrt yabh
Arabic zubb

*zaw "(female) sexe
Anatolic Greek sab-akh, sam-akh "vulva"
Skrt yo-ni < *yaw-ni

*dza?p "Upupa Epops"
Funny word ! but it works.
the meaning is "crest, mane"
Arabic za?ba

Latin u:pupa (o grade)
Spanish abibula (zero grade)
Hesychius apopa (standard)
Greek Epo:ps (anomic)
Kabyle itchibib

This word is *not* imitative
as proved by Kabyle

You owe me apologies
in clear and due form.