Re: Kossack's Conclusions

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
>
> > > Archäologisches zur frühgermanischen Besiedlung
> > > zwischen Main und
> > > Nordsee, pp. 103-104
> > > in Kossack, Hachmann, Kuhn:
> > > Völker zwischen Germanen und Kelten
> > >
> > > "
> > > CONCLUSIONS
> > > The events in western North Germany must have
> taken a different
> > > course. A uniform, all-extensive movement can
> hardly be assumed
> > > here, nor can exclusively an
> Elbe-Germanic/Suebian
> > > population as carrier of these enterprises.
> >
> > GK: Does Kossack agree with Hachmann that
> "Early
> > Germanic" culture(=Elbe-Germanic?) spread into the
> old
> > Jastorf area from a point further south in the
> last
> > half of the 1rst c.BCE? Or did it spread there at
> the
> > same time as in "western North Germany", viz.,
> from
> > ca. 0-> CE?
>
> It's very odd. He asserts that the culture in
> Bohemia which appears
> abruptly in Bohemia, is strongly related to the
> continously developed
> culture on the Lower Elbe, and that the Germanic
> layer appears
> abruptly in Thuringia, but nowhere does he state
> that the influence
> went physically one way or the other. It would be
> logically possible
> that new features which changed Jastorf to
> Elbe-Germani came from the
> new elewment in Thuringia. He doesn't mention the
> Przeworsk/Oder-Warthe character of the new layer in
> Thuringia and
> Wetterau at all. Would it a problem for him to fit
> that in?

****GK: The Bohemian extension would seem to fit in
with the rise of Marbod's Marcomannic state. The
timeline seems right. If so, one might argue that the
Marcomanni (and others) effected the Jastorf-Elbe
Germani cultural change sometime between 58 BCE and
<-O-> BCE/CE. The "militarization" would be the result
of the constant intervening wars with the Romans,
which originally (and throughout the last half of the
1rst c BCE) also involved incoming elements from
Przeworsk. BTW does Hachmann suggest that all of
Thuringia was settled by the "Celtisized" culture akin
to that of the Wetterau prior to the arrival of
Przeworsk? My recollection is that he only said it(the
"C" culture) extended to the Leine. Was the rest of
Thuringia occupied by Jastorf?****

> > GK: Is the implication that Przeworsk here was
> > also a victim of the Roman pushes?
>
> I don't think so. The Roman colonization campaigns
> and later punitive
> expeditions did not cross the Elbe, AFAIK

****GK: Sorry. I did not mean the "mother Przeworsk"
east of the Oder, but the "intrusive Przeworsk" in
West Thuringia and in the Wetterau.****

>
> Torsten
>
>
>

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