Re: Torsten's theory reviewed

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh
> <gknysh@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > According to Caesar, Ariovistus' troops
> > > included
> > > > Harudes,
> > > > Marcomanni, Triboci, Vangiones, Nemetes,
> Sedusii
> > > and
> > > > Suebi
> > > >
> > > > Judging by the name, the Triboci, Nemetes and
> > > > possibly the Sedusii are
> > > > Celtic,
> >
> > GK: According to Tacitus, the Triboci and
> Nemetes
> > were "of undoubted German origin" (Germania,
> 28)
>
> By his time, they would be.

****GK: They became "Germans" while living in Gaul
surrounded by Gaulish tribes and allegedly Celtic
themselves? This is typical "Torsten logic" I'm
afraid. Unfortunately for you, they were already
considered "savage" Germans by both Gauls and Romans
in Caesar's time: cf.DBG 1.31.4: "ab Arvernis
Sequanisque Germani mercede* arcesserentur. [5] Horum
primo circiter milia XV Rhenum* transisse; postea quam
agros et cultum et copias* Gallorum homines feri ac
barbari* adamassent*, traductos** plures; nunc* esse
in Gallia ad C et XX milium numerum." (and these
"120,000" contained the groups specifically identified
later as including Triboci and Nemetes.)

Good Celtic etymologies

> exist for these
> tribe names, no Germanic ones have bees found.
>
>
> Triboci:
> http://www.celtnet.org.uk/gaulish-tribes.html
> Nemetes:
> cf Celtic *nemeto- "sacred grove"

****GK: Irrelevant. The Celtic influence on many
Germanic groups is well-known. It didn't make them any
less Germanic.

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> Torsten
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