Re: Latin -idus as from dH- too

From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 55206
Date: 2008-03-15

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From: "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
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Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] Latin -idus as from dH- too


I need to add that dHugh2te'r itself HAVING a VOCALIZED
LARYNGEAL SHOWS THE ASPIRATION OF g > gh but NOT the pre-aspiration
of -t-

And the accent is on -te'r to finalize regarding your supposition

This single word shows us the following things:

gh => as result Olsen, you and nobody else CANNOT INVOKE from now on
that a 'vocalized laryngeal cannot trigger aspiration/pre-aspiration'
=> so Olsen supposition regarding the distinction between h./h in
relation with her theory is false

b) the accent of dHugh2te'r is on -t'er and their is no metathesis
h-t>t-h => so you assumption is wrong too regarding you trial to save
somehow the Olsen's theory


The origin of *dhugH2tér is based on a root which gives us English 'dug
(noun)', supposedly 'etymology unknown'.

The root is **dhéugh-, 'dug', which shows up in Pokorny as *dheugh-, 'milk
(verb). 'Dug' is 'teat' with the focus on its use in milking.

The final element *-gh derives from pre-PIE *gha; and it is a characteristic
of pre-PIE voiced aspirates followed originally by *a that they may lose
their aspiration when final.

As a result of this circumstance, the stem passed on to the PIE-derived
languages in two forms: *dhéug- and *dhéugh-.

In some, the occupational suffix, -tér was applied to one, producing
*dhug-tér; in others, *dhugh-tér, assigning daughters the task of 'milking'.

The existence of *dhéug- produced a misanalysis of *dhéugh- as *dhéug-H-,
and produced a third competitive stem for 'milk' and 'daughter'.

An interesting and very unusual development.