From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 55141
Date: 2008-03-14
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From: Patrick Ryan
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> I restate that H1 is an unvoiced pharyngeal
> (or unvoiced velar spirant)
> Arnaud
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A glottal stop is the phone that behaves normally in the way that *H1 is
supposed.
Actually, there is only *H.
Patrick
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Well,
I think the comparative evidence exhibited by
the rest of the world is stronger than tentative
identification thru internal reasoning.
Arnaud
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It happens all the time with eastern and central PIE.
> Glottal stop (H2) + C > voiced C.
> Arnaud
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How about a couple of examples of that.
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I have already given :
the root *bhlH2-k "beam"
Pok 123
LAtin ful-c-rum (unvoiced)
gaulish bala:-k-on (unvoiced + long=
Greek phalan-g-s (voiced)
Sancrit *bhuri:z^au (voiced + long)
Torsten gave you an example two days ago.
Door *?a?t
Latin antae
Sanscrit a:t
Armenian dr-and- (voiced)
Yenissei ?a?t
Sanscrit is from H2n:-t-
The laryngeal after *n fused with n-
before it could voice the -t-
LAtin anta instead of an-i-ta
is coherent with an early fusion of
n and ?
This example is also **one** more
proof that H1 is **not** glottal stop.
Ernout-Meillet:
"
anta, -ae (usité surtout au pl. antae, -a:rum) f.: antes, piliers qui
encadrent la porte; contreforts, pilastres. Correspond au gr.
para-stádes, cf. Rich s.u. Ancien (Lex Puteol. 105 av. J.-C.}.
Conservé dans les dial. italiens, cf. M.L.492.
Cf. skr. á:ta:h. (au fém. pluriel) "encadrement de la porte (avec a:-
issu de n + &, c'est-à-dire *n,: ), et le dérivé avestique a,iþyâ
(même sens). L'arménien a dr-and et le dérivé dr-andi "encadrement de
porte". On rapproche aussi v.isl. o,nd "vestibule". - Le lat. antae
n'a pas trace de la forme dissyllabique *an&t- attendue d'après la
forme védique.
"
Arnaud
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