Re: Grimm shift as starting point of "Germanic"

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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> >> and what are "other languages"?
> >
> >Languages other that Germanic.
>
> If the "language of geminates" was a substrate of Germanic,
> we wouldn't expect "these stems" to appear in other
> languages (and certainly not in ungeminated shape). If the
> "language of geminates" is Germanic, we would expect "these
> stems" (without the gemination) to appear in other
> Indo-European languages (because inherited from PIE).
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> There is also a more complex possibility
> that there is actually a substrate
> (which I think is Celtic)

You like to think that, don't you? Louis XIV (the guy who made you
French) had an army of lawyers who whenever some German local
potentate died could prove that Louis had a hereditary territorial
claim on his property. Of course, if they could have proved instead
(but that wasn't fashionable yet) that his Germanic neighbors spoke
some type of Celtic then those neighbors would have actually been
French without realizing it and only had to be persuaded with love and
armies that this was so. It would have been so much easier.

> and that Germanic borrowed words with geminates
> because it also had created other words with geminates
> on its own.
>
> Arnaud
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That's complex all right. Germanic had created some words with
geminates and therefore they decided to borrow some words with
geminates from a substrate?

Erh, what?


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