Re: Grimm shift as starting point of "Germanic"

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 54861
Date: 2008-03-08

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From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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>I find it hard to swallow
>that a "weak" consonant such as *n
>could provoke gemination of stops.

Gemination before a resonant is quite common. A good example
is Catalan <poble>, <segle>, pronounced /pobble/, /seggle/
(or /pople/, /sekle/).

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I suppose you mean [pob:le] = /poble/
But it's irrelevant to put on the same level
Germanic sta-kk- with phonemic status
and Catalan [pob:le] which is just
a contextual variant of phoneme /b/.
Arnaud.
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Guus Kroonen's analysis, with which I agree, is:

PGmc. N. *steko:, G. *stukkaz [or *stakkaz --mcv] < PIE
*stégh-o:n, G. *stgh-n-ós

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Watkins has *steg- instead of stegh-.

What about the word thane < *teknon ?
if contact between any velar K and -n-
trigger -kk-n,
why is it that thane is not thekk- ?

A.
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This explains the Germanic variants:
*stekan-: ON ljós-stjaki m. ‘torch’, OHG stehho m. ‘pole,
club’
*stekkan-: OHG stecko m., OE stecca m. ‘stick’
*stakan-: ON ljós-staki m. ‘torch’, OE staca m. ‘stake’
*stakkon-: ON stakka f. ‘stump’
*stukka-: ON stokkr m. ‘stick, trunk’, OHG stoch m. ‘stick’
Miguel
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