Re: Strange words out of place

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh
> <gknysh@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > The only rivers in *wib- Udolph finds are in
> Britain
> > > (not on the map).
> > > Does that mean the Germani were all over the
> continent when the
> > > Grimm-shift took place?
> > >
> > >
> > > Torsten
> >
> >
> > GK: I'm afraid
>
> No you're not.
>
> > the evidence of -wib/-wip is too
> > opaque to draw any firm conclusions one way or the
> > other (on this basis alone) as to where and when
> the
> > Grimm shift began. ****
>
> Not so. The only way to have the Grimm shift take
> place in the Jastorf
> area is to assume, as Udolph does, that all those
> river etc names
> exactly in the Jastorf area and nowhere else on the
> continent were
> *wib- and not *wip- forms. That's bad science. All
> this talk of
> opacity is just to hide fact that you want to go on
> believing the
> Grimm-shift took place in Jastorf, as if nothing
> happened.
>
>
> Torsten

****GK: I don't know where the Grimm shift initially
occurred, and how it spread. That's not the point,
Torsten. The issue was: where did Germanic begin? (The
Grimm shift was surely not the beginning of this
linguistic group even if subsequently one of its most
obvious characteristics). You suggested the area of
the Przeworsk culture. I offered arguments against
this (including the existence of the Sciri long before
the emergence of Przeworsk) none of which you were
able to deal with (so far). Deflecting matters to
inconclusive side discussions about *wib-/*wip won't
do (:=)))****

>
>
>
>

____________________________________________________________________________________
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs