Re: PIE meaning of the Germanic dental preterit

From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 54269
Date: 2008-02-28

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Subject: Re: [tied] PIE meaning of the Germanic dental preterit


--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@...>
wrote:
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> Marius, you have a serious misunderstanding of compound structure
in PIE.
>
> It is a phrase, 'put fear into' = 'scare' in _exactly_ the same
pattern as
> 'put heart into' = 'trust'.
>
> Normally, the nominal element comes first, then the verbal element.



From where you arrive to a Noun when we have Only the Root for the
Stem?

So I didn't agree here:
bHoih- in baidyti is Only a Root-Stem and the Root basically
indicates the Verb not the Noun => so is not Noun+Verb => is
Verb+<dheh1> (in baidyti I mean)

<Noun + dheh1-> gave Noun in PIE
<Verb + dheh1-> gave Verb in PIE
etc...

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I analyze the pattern found in *k^red-dhe:- as Noun + Verb. Do you not?

Root-Stem? How about Root Noun? I presume you know of them.

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Even so you have indicated somehow what I wanted to say too.
The Verbal Compounds in dheh1- are not related to the constructions

V1 + V2 or
S1 + S2

they are more related to a
Verb + <Sufix + Ending> construction

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If I indicated that, I apologize.

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> It is not a modal marker at all. It is simply a common phrase
containing
> noun+verb that has been compounded into a single verb.

Is not Noun+dH(e)h1- : because we have only the Root-stem bHoih-
and a PIE root indicates basically the Verb

So Wrong Assumption => Wrong Conclusion

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Wrong analysis, wrong conclusion.

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> These compounds are not periphrastic verbal constructions but
simple
> compounded verbs.


They are once X in X-dheh1- is a Verb there is no other way to
interpret it.


Marius

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You are absolutely wrong.

Patrick

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