Re: PIE meaning of the Germanic dental preterit

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 54223
Date: 2008-02-27

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> On 2008-02-27 15:55, Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
>
> > Birds have wings and can fly, like birds, but that doesn't mean
that the
> > common ancestor of birds and bats was a flier.
>
> Bats have wings...
>
> (Self-correction number 2. Sorry, I was writing in haste.)
>
> Piotr
>

This remember me 'the sand and the heap' story of Brian.

Seems that you repeat the same story using other words:

Now to tell you another variant for your story:

"Crow have wings and can fly, like storks, and this means that the
their common ancestor was a flier bird " (sic! :))

I think that we need to make a resume on this topic because we have
started many fronts in the same time.

I will start i9n chronological order:

0. There was a Common Language named PIE (-> so already from here you
story with 'bats and birds' doesn't fit)

1. There were already in PIE verbal construction in -dH(e)h1- this is
the starting point. -dH(e)h1- was also used for noun and adjectival
constructions too.

2. There was already in PIE periphrastic verbal constructions that
used some <key> verbs like 'bHuh-' 'dHeh1-' etc...as a distinct
marker

3. Reduplication was used already in PIE times for Morphological
Functionalities even quite for teh definition of Verbal Aspects (so
the concept of 'morphological reduplication' was used already in PIE)

If you have another opinion on 1 to 3 is your turn now...

Of course, there was no 'Weak-Preterite' in PIE that is a Later
Innovation of Germanic => but this construction is based on 1-3 :

1-3 was coagulated Only in Germanic but the Dental Preterit (together
with other Germanic Constructiosn) has appeared based on some
previous PIE periphrastic verbal constructions

(together with some other verbal constructions )

Marius