Re: Przeworsk as the genesis of Germanic

From: tgpedersen
Message: 54124
Date: 2008-02-25

> P.S. The difficulty with Przeworsk as "prime Germanic"
> is not only associated with the Gothic issue, but also
> with the Bastarnian issue. There is no Przeworsk at
> Peuca, and we have the three Germanic names of
> Bastarnian leaders of the early 2nd.C. BCE. Nor is
> there any Przeworsk in the area of Moldavia (also
> Bastarnian acc. to Strabo) whence the "Sciri" (first
> historically attested Germanic term?) threatened Olbia
> ca. 240 BCE. As you know, I think these early
> Sciri+Galati "associates" mentioned in the Protogenes
> Decree are the Bastarnians. Their culture is Jastorf+
> Pomeranian (with later assimilation of local Getans +
> Sarmatian elements), but not Przeworsk. Despite
> cultural differences due to their local contacts,the
> speech was still Germanic in the time of Tacitus.****

Those three 'Germanic' names were Clondicus, Cotto and Talto according
to your source.'s
words bear repeating:
From Gibbon's "History Of The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire",
vol 1:
[Footnote *: The Bastarnae cannot be considered original inhabitants
of Germany Strabo and Tacitus appear to doubt it; Pliny alone calls
them Germans: Ptolemy and Dion treat them as Scythians, a vague
appellation at this period of history; Livy, Plutarch, and Diodorus
Siculus, call them Gauls, and this is the most probable opinion. They
descended from the Gauls who entered Germany under Signoesus. They
are always found associated with other Gaulish tribes, such as the
Boii, the Taurisci, &c., and not to the German tribes. The names of
their chiefs or princes, Chlonix, Chlondicus, Deldon, are not German
names. Those who were settled in the island of Peuce in the Danube,
took the name of Peucini.

In my scheme, the Bastarnians would have been para-Germanic, ie. their
language was a cousin that didn't make it.