--- tgpedersen <
tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> >
> > GK: ... if you think
> > Przeworsk is where Germanic was born, how do you
> > explain its further extension? For instance: how
> did
> > the Goths become Germanic? They developed quite
> > independently of Przeworsk.
>
> I've been wondering about the Goths and Wielbark
> culture. But if
> Wikipedia is to be trusted, it replaced the Oksywie
> culture in the
> first century CE (I've seen 30 CE somewhere).
****GK: There is some evidence of Scandinavian arrival
in the area of an expanding Wielbark c.in the second
half of the 1rst c. AD, though the initial phase of
Wielbark cannot be due to this, since the material
culture and esp. the burial practices differ.
Scandinavian stone stelae are not involved in the
expansion of Wielbark into Ukraine (classical Gothic
period). Initial Wielbark develops from Oksywie,
which, like Przeworsk,was partly founded on Jastorfian
infusion.****
That
> means they left
> Scandinavia *after* the Germanic-speaking invasion,
> thus with Germanic
> speakers among them.
****GK: No doubt about that. The question is: was
Wielbark already Germanic-speaking when the Goths
arrived? The standard view is that it was.****
As for the name, note the g-/y-
> confusion in a
> parallel; I think Goth and Jute are cognate
> substrate words; Jutland
> was earlier Reidgotaland, and that it was some
> general term for
> original inhabitants.
****GK: Without getting into this (there were other
"Reidgotalands") one obvious question would be: if
Germanic starts with Przeworsk, how and when does it
get to Scandinavia, and what is the archaeological
evidence for this? The "Wielbark area" Goths who mixed
with the original Wielbarkers brought with them an
archaeological culture which had existed in
Scandinavia since ca. 500 BCE.,and which was neither
Przeworsk nor originating in Przeworsk.****
>
>
> Torsten
>
>
>
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