Re: Uralic Continuity Theory (was: Meaning of Aryan: now, "white peo

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 54001
Date: 2008-02-22

See additions and questions below
Arnaud
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You liked that, huh? And I didn't even say that. But Burrows did in
'The Sanskrit Language', p. 22-24 (the fun part comes last):

"
§5. Indo-Iranian and Finno-ugrian
During the same period there is conclusive evidence of contact between
Indo-Iranian and Finno-ugrian, a neighbouring family of
non-Indo-European languages.
Even before the Indo-Iranian period there is evidence of contact
between Indo-European and Finno-ugrian.
Evidence is both more abundant and easier to interpret when it comes
to early Indo-Iranian contacts with Finno-ugrian. Here it is possible
to point out a considerable number of words in Finno-ugrian which can
be shown to have been borrowed from Indo-Iranian at this stage. The
most important of the Finno-ugrian words which have been ascribed to
Indo-Iranian are as follows :

(1) Finn. sata '100', Lapp. cuotte, Mordv. s´ado, C^er. süðö, Zyry.
s´o, Voty. s´u, Vog. sa:t, sa:t, Osty. sòt, sàt, Hung. száz :
Skt. s´atám, Av. sat&m.
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Moksha is sjada
Arnaud
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(2) Mordv. azoro, azor 'lord', Voty. uzïr, Zyry. ozïr 'rich'; Vog.
o:ter, å:ter 'hero'
:
Skt. ásura, 'lord', Av. ahura- 'id'.

(3) Finn. vasara 'hammer', Lapp. væc^er, Mordv. viz´ir, uz´er
:
Skt. vájra- 'Indra's weapon', Av. vazra- 'club, mace'.

(4) Finn. porsas, Zyry. pora´, porys´, Voty. pars´, paris´ 'pig'
was ascribed to an Aryan *pars´a-( Lat. porcus) and this is now
attested by Khotanese pa:'sa-.
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Moksha is prtsä
Arnaud
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(5) Finn. oras '(castrated) boar', Mordv. ure:s´ 'id'
:
Skt. vara:há-, Av. vara:za- ' boar'.
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Moksha has viraksh "wild boar"
Arnaud
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(6) Finn. utar, Mordv. odar, C^er. vodar 'udder'
:
Skt. ú:dhar 'id';

(7) Finn. ora, Mordv. uro, Hung. ár 'awl'
:
Skt. á:ra: 'id' (= OHG a:la, etc.);

(8) Hung. ostor 'whip', Vog. oster, C^er. wostyr
:
Skt. ás.t.ra, Av. astra: 'whip' (*aj- ' to drive ') ;

(9) Hung. arany 'gold', Vog. suren´, saren´, Mordv. sirn´e, Zyry.
Voty. zarn´i
:
Skt. híran.ya-, Av. zaranya-;
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Moksha is zirnja
Arnaud
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(10) Finn. arvo 'value, price', Hung. ár, etc.
:
Skt. arghá-, Osset. arG 'id' (Lith. algà, etc.) ;

(11) Finn. sisar 'sister', Mordv. sazor, C^er. suzar
:
Skt. svásar-, Av. xyan,har-;

(12) Hung. sör 'beer', Voty. sur, Vog. sor, Osty. sar
:
Skt. súra: 'strong drink', Av. hura: ;

(13) Finn. sarvi 'horn', Mordv. s´uro, C^er. sur, Lapp c^oarvve, Hung.
szarv
:
Av. sru:-, srva: 'horn' ( = Gk. kéras, etc.);
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Some Moksha speakers have
çjura with a palatal ç instead of s
Arnaud
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(14) Vog. suorp, so:rp 'elk'
:
Skt. s´arabhá- 'a kind of deer' (from the root of the last);
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Moksha has sjarda "elk"
Arnaud
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(15) Mordv. sed' 'bridge'
:
Skt. sétu-, Av. has:tu-;

(16) Mordv. v&rgas 'wolf', Zyry. vörkas´
:
Skt. vr.´ka-, Av. v&hrka-;

(17) Zyry. Voty. turïn 'grass'
:
Skt. tr.´n.a-;
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Moksha has tishä "grass"
Unclear relationship
Arnaud
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(18) Zyry. vörk 'kidney'
:
Skt. vr.kká-, Av. v&r&ðka- 'id';

(19) Vog. tas 'stranger'
:
Skt. da:sá- 'non-Aryan, slave';

(20) Hung. vászon 'linen'
:
Skt. vásana- 'garment, cloth'.

(21) Fi. mehiläinen 'bee', Mordv. meks, C^er. müks, Zyry. Voty. mus,
Hung. méh
:
Skt. máks.-, máks.a:, máks.ika: 'bee, fly', Av. maxsui: 'fly';

(22) Fi. siika-nen 'beard of grain, etc.', Mordv. s´uva, C^er. s´u,
Zyry. s´u
:
Skt. s´u:ka- 'id';

(23) Mordv. s´a:va, s´eja 'goat'
:
Skt. chá:ga-.
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Skt. kapha- 'phlegm', Av. kafa-, Pers. kaf 'foam, scum'
:
Hung. háb 'foam, froth, cream', Veps. kob´e 'wave, foam', Sam. (Kam.)
khòwü ' foam';
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The Uralic words are from PU *kong-pu
Cf. Nganasan *kong-fu "wave, fluctuate"
Arnaud
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I read Mordvin loman "Mensch"
is from Indo-Iranian

Is it possible ?

Arnaud

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