Re: Indo-Uralic?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "fournet.arnaud"
<fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

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> > This root *noh "woman" is not clearly attested in PIE
> >
> > Arnaud
>
> The original is g´neh2- as behind greek gune: and sanskrit gná:
> Jouppe
>
> I disagree with the strongest force.
>
> PU *nohu "woman" has nothing to do with PIE *gw_n
> and has to be compared with :
> Sino-tibetan noh "woman"
> Chinese nü3 "woman"
> Tibetan mnah "a bride"
> and you can see that Salish has *nexw "woman"
>
> Refuted.
>
> Arnaud

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You dropped the -h2 from your PIE root.

'has to be compared with' is utterly ambiguous. Do you mean loans or
are you establishing cognates here? In either case you have to
postulate a lot of speculative presuppositions.

Jouppe
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> >
> > 2) PIE laryngeals correspond to Pre-Finnic fricative
> > *s in cases like:
-Old Finnish inhi-(m-inen)
> > 'human being' < PreFi *insi- (<**jinsi-) 'descendant'
> > <= PIE *c'nh-(i)e/o- > Sanskrit jā́- 'born,
> > offspring, descendant', Gmc. *kunja- 'generation,
> > lineage, kin'

> > =============
> >
> > 3) PIE laryngeals correspond to Pre-Finnic *k in
> > wordstems like:
-Finnish kesä- 'summer' < PFU
> > *kesä- <= PIE *hes-en- (*hos-en-/-er-) > Balto-Slavic
> > *eseni- 'autumn', Gothic asans 'summer'
-Finnish
> > kulke- 'to go, walk, wander' ~ Hungarian halad- 'to
> > go, walk, proceed' < PFU *kulki- <= PIE *qelH-e/o- >
> > Greek pelomai '(originally) to be moving', Sanskrit
> > cárati 'goes, walks, wanders (about)', cognate Lat.
> > colere 'to till, cultivate, inhabit'

> >
> > ==========
> > PU word "summer" probably means "hot"
> > Cf. Turkish kiz-dirmak
> > and a couple of Uralic words like Udmurt gitch "hot".
> > Arnaud
>
> The word 'kesä' is not PU but western Finno-Permic (cf. Saami

gaesse,

> Ersä-Mordvinic 'kize', no udmurt here). Turkish has of course

nothing

> to do with Finno-Permic.
>
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>
> The reconstruction like pseudo-Finnish kesä is worse than bad.
> Moksha is kiza : impossibly derivable from this thing **kesä

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Finnish 'pesä' is Moksha 'piza'

Jouppe
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>
> This word can be compared with Chinese xia4 "summer"
>
> The root *g_ts "hot" > "summer" is widely attested
> in all eastern Eurasia.

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Now again we are discussing European languages, like Finno-Permic and
PIE. What has China and Eastern Eurasia to with it? Pseudoscience is
forbidden by the rules of the forum.
Jouppe
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> Arnaud
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