From: Francesco Brighenti
Message: 53475
Date: 2008-02-17
>sea',
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 00:04:57 -0000, "Francesco Brighenti"
> <frabrig@...> wrote:
>
>
> >--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@> wrote:
> >
> >> B[abaev]'s Temarunda analysis seems OK.
> >
> >On the contrary, to me its seems far-fetched:
> >
> >http://indoeuro.bizland.com/archive/article17.html
> >"*tem-arun-da, 'mother of the Dark, or Black, Sea', where *tem-
> >means Vedic tamas- 'darkness', *arun- is Vedic arna- 'a stormy
> >and *da- fits well to Sanskrit dhe- 'to breast-feed'. This makesarticle "Temarundam 'Mater
> >temarunda really 'a mother of the sea'.
> >
> >However, Babev's source is O. Trubachev's
> >Maris'" available online at
> >
> >http://groznijat.tripod.com/sci_lang/trubachev.htm
> >
> >The article is, unfortunately, in Russian. What does it say, in
> >short?
> >
>
> It says that Sobolevskij was the first to point to a link
> between Temarunda and *tem- "dark", but that Vasmer showed
> that the Scythian name for the Black Sea was different,
> containg Iranian *axs^aina "black, dark" (> Grk. Pontos
> Axeinos). B. Nadel(') connected Temarunda with Anatolian
> te-ma-aruna-dam ("and-mother-sea-??"). Trubachëv then
> suggests the etymology *tem-arun-da: "dark-sea-wetnurse"
> (cf. the Grk. name for the Sea of Azov "Maiotis" from maia
> "mother, wetnurse"). He states that aruna "sea" can't be
> Hittite/Anatolian here because Hitt. has dankui for "dark".
> It also can't be Thracian/Cimmerian, because Thracian (for
> the Black Sea) would have been *kirs-mar/mor- (which he
> suggests as the etymon of the name Kimmerii <
> *kir(s)-mar-jo-).
>
> Trubachëv's *tem-arun-da: would then be the name given by
> the local population, the Sindoi, which would have spoken an
> Indic-like language (Kaba-thaxes < ..-taks.a; Nikaxin <
> ni-kaks.-in = Skt. ni:-kaks.a-, *amb- "water", *dand-
> "stone", *sar- "woman").
>
> Not terribly convincing stuff. The Cimmerian etymology is
> interesting, though, in the category "se non è vero, è ben
> trovato".
>
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> miguelc@...
>