Re: Indo-Uralic?

From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 52762
Date: 2008-02-12

Not of much use in my opinion. Uralic contacts were probably with IE dialect
speakers not PIE speakers.

There is no PIE **c'næX as far as I know.

The same for *c'nh-(i)e/o-, 'man'.

There were, IMHO, no glottalized stops in PIE; by that time, they had
developed into voiced stops.


Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
To: "Rick McCallister" <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Indo-Uralic?


> At 11:54:50 PM on Monday, February 11, 2008, Rick
> McCallister wrote:
>
> > I ran into this on line. Any validity to what he says?
>
> I've converted it to something readable, using SAMPA [X] and
> [X\] for his IPA chi and crossed-h. -Brian
>
> > 1) PIE laryngeals correspond to PU fricative *X
> > in cases like:
> > -Finnish nai-/naa- 'woman' < PU *näXi-/*naXï- <= PIE
> > *c'næX\-/ > Greek gune: 'woman', Sanskrit gná: 'Godess'
>
> > 2) PIE laryngeals correspond to Pre-Finnic fricative
> > *s^ in cases like:
> > -Old Finnish inhi-(m-inen) 'human being' < PreFi *ins^i-
> > (<**jins^i-) 'descendant' <= PIE *c'nh-(i)e/o- > Sanskrit
> > já:- 'born, offspring, descendant', Gmc. *kunja-
> > 'generation, lineage, kin'
>
> > 3) PIE laryngeals correspond to Pre-Finnic *k in
> > wordstems like:
> > -Finnish kesä- 'summer' < PFU *kesä- <= PIE *hes-en-
> > (*hos-en-/-er-) > Balto-Slavic *eseni- 'autumn', Gothic asans 'summer'
> > -Finnish kulke- 'to go, walk, wander' ~ Hungarian halad-
> > 'to go, walk, proceed' < PFU *kulki- <= PIE *qelH-e/o- >
> > Greek pelomai '(originally) to be moving', Sanskrit cárati
> > 'goes, walks, wanders (about)?, cognate Lat. colere 'to
> > till, cultivate, inhabit'
> > -Finnish teke- 'do, make' ~ Hungarian tëv-, të-, tesz- 'to
> > do, make, put, place' < PFU *teki- <= PIE *t,eh- > Greek
> > títhe:mi, Sanskrit dádha:ti 'put, place', but 'do, make'
> > in the western IE languages, e.g. the Germanic forms do,
> > German tun, etc., and Latin facio:.
>
> > http://koti.welho.com/jschalin/substitutions.htm
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