From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 52704
Date: 2008-02-11
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From: "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re:[tied] Re: The meaning of life: PIE. *gWiH3w-
> > ***
> >
> > It is not "ongoing", that is progressive.
> >
> > Imperfective and perfective have to do with the the
> > goal of the action which > cann occur in any time.
> >
> > "I am eating up the cake." is perfective and
> > progressive.
> PR
> ===========
> The present tense with be ing + is progressive
> the perfective meaning is here conveyed by
> the lexical item "to eat *up*.
> "I'm eating the cake." is progressive.
>
> To eat is neutral
> to eat up is lexically perfective :
> roughly "to eat until it's finished".
>
> Can you distinguish lexical and grammatical features ?
>
> Arnaud
> ==========================
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I would like to see you try to maintain that point with a Slavic speaker.
***
> > I do not subscribe to "coloring" laryngeals. I
> > believe their major
> > discernible effect was to lengthen vowels before
> > disappearing; and perhaps,
> > they occasionally aspirated consonants with which
> > they came into immediate
> > contact..
> >
> > Patrick
> ===========
>
> Have you read "Le mémoire" de Saussure ?
> As emphasized by MEillet for example,
> the odd thing about *a is that it's rare,
> and the only place where it's less rare,
> is the initial position where it never alternates
> with e.
> This suggests that *a and *e are basically allophones.
> a is just h2e or e is just H1a
> e and a are not contrastive.
> Which leads to H1 and H2
> The same reasoning applies to o
> which never alternates with either a or e
> hence H3.
>
> It's simple, linear and unescapable.
> It can't be refuted.
>
> ARnaud
> =========
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No one is in his right mind would bother refuting Saussure.
There is a big difference between *eg^- and *ag^- - at least for most
people.
*o, of course, _does_ alternate in roots with *e, depending primarily on the
placement of the stress-accent.
Patrick