Re: The meaning of life: PIE. *gWiH3w-

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From: "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
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Subject: Re: [tied] Re: The meaning of life: PIE. *gWiH3w-


> >
> > One of the points Piotr seeks to make in his paper
> > is to argue for the
> > existence, otherwise unattested, of the form *gWeu-
> >
> > The HS (my PA) root in Orel & Stolbova #516 is
> > listed in three forms:
> >
> > *ca?-/*caw-/*cay-, "move upwards'
> >
> > The <c> has an inverted chevron.
> >
> > If one assumes that Nostratic is the parent of both
> > PA and PIE, and these
> > are inherited roots from Nostratic, presumably, at
> > some point, PIE had them,
> > too.
> >
> > In PIE, they would have the forms *gWa(:)H-, *gWei-,
> > and *gWeu.
> ==============
> PIE *gw can only be PAA *q
>
> Whatever that hatchek root really is.
> I suppose it should better be read *ts
> What are the PAA data supporting #516 ?
>
> Arnaud
> ================

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I have written this a couple of times but for your benefit I will again
provide the link:

http://geocities.com/proto-language/c-AFRASIAN-3_table.htm

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> > That is the existence of PIE *gWem-, which almost
> > corresponds with O&S #550,
> > namely *cem-, 'go, enter' (same chevron, of course).
> ========
> PIE *gwem does not exist.
> the root is *gw
> with two extensions : gw_H2 and gw_m.
> And Meillet does not reject gw_n- for LAtin.
> A third one.
>
> Arnaud
> ==============

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That is where you are wrong.

Many, many roots in Orel & Stolbova (1995) have a citation form consisting
of *CV?= followed by extensions in -w- and -y- based not on *CV?- but *CV-.

No root in PIE consists of a single consonant; the very shortest are *CV,
e.g. *me.

If you want to write *gW_H2, be my guest but no PIE root has no *V.

In this case, the PPIE root was *gWa- to which *H (*?) was added,
lengthening it to *a: and preserving its central quality.

Without lengthening, *gWa- became *gWé- when combined with other formants:
*gWéw-, *gWéy-.

What is your basis for saying *gWem- does not exist?

Actually, I think it likely that it should be emended to *gWyém-, an
extension of *gWéy- rather than *gWé-.

But it exists in Arabic as <Sym> and in Egyptian as <S[j]m>.


Patrick