From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 52516
Date: 2008-02-08
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: The meaning of life: PIE. *gWiH3w-
> I'm thinking US Army chevron as opposed to British
> Army chevron
>
> But you do have ^, right?
> --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
>
> > No, Rick, it is an upside down hachek.
> >
> > Unfortunately, since I switched to plain text,
> > c-hachek or s-hachek will not
> > come through. It did when I was sending .htm's.
> >
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
> > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: The meaning of life: PIE.
> > *gWiH3w-
> >
> >
> > > The term "livestock" seems to support Piotr, the
> > > traditional idea of cattle as "money on the go"
> > would
> > > fit into a nomadic society
> > >
> > > BTW: The "upside down chevron" is called a hachek
> > in
> > > English or haček if your computer can read
> > it.
> > >
> > > --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@...>
> > > > To: "Cybalist" <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:01 AM
> > > > Subject: The meaning of life: PIE. *gWiH3w-
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > One of the points Piotr seeks to make in his
> > paper
> > > > is to argue for the
> > > > existence, otherwise unattested, of the form
> > *gWeu-
> > > >
> > > > The HS (my PA) root in Orel & Stolbova #516 is
> > > > listed in three forms:
> > > >
> > > > *ca?-/*caw-/*cay-, "move upwards'
> > > >
> > > > The <c> has an inverted chevron.
> > > >
> > > > If one assumes that Nostratic is the parent of
> > both
> > > > PA and PIE, and these
> > > > are inherited roots from Nostratic, presumably,
> > at
> > > > some point, PIE had them,
> > > > too.
> > > >
> > > > In PIE, they would have the forms *gWa(:)H-,
> > *gWei-,
> > > > and *gWeu.
> > > >
> > > > As I mentioned before, there is more to relate
> > these
> > > > PA and PIE roots.
> > > >
> > > > That is the existence of PIE *gWem-, which
> > almost
> > > > corresponds with O&S #550,
> > > > namely *cem-, 'go, enter' (same chevron, of
> > course).
> > > >
> > > > I am working on a hypothesis that at least some
> > PA
> > > > <e> represent <e:>, a
> > > > contraction of [ay]. Thus I suspect them
> > *ce(:)m-
> > > > represents an earlier
> > > > *caym-.
> > > >
> > > > Why is this potentionally important?
> > > >
> > > > If the combining form were *gWei- rather than
> > *gwe-,
> > > > then it is possible
> > > > that *gWeu- represents an an earlier *gWyeu-, a
> > > > root-form that would, I
> > > > think, bolster Piotr's argument.
> > > >
> > > > I have to admit that we have no discernible
> > trace of
> > > > a <y> in PIE *gWem- but
> > > > Piotr will know best if *gWyem- could develop
> > into
> > > > *gWem- without
> > > > palatalizing the initial.
> > > >
> > > > Whether *gWyem- ever existed or not, I am
> > relatively
> > > > certain that the
> > > > Egyptian cognate Sm, go', was actually S(j)m,
> > i.e.
> > > > [sh-y-m].
> > > >
> > > > There are many who will question my connection
> > of
> > > > Egyptian <S> (esh) and <X>
> > > > (bar-h) with PIE *g(^)W- and *k(^)w- but in the
> > > > document I have been
> > > > linking, are many examples of the correlation:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://geocities.com/proto-language/c-AFRASIAN-3_table.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Piotr, are you so unconvinced of the Nostratic
> > > > hypothesis that you would
> > > > have to judge these correlations as
> > coincidental?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Patrick
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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