Re: *pu:tium prae-pu:tium sala-pu:tium

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1. "But morphologically praeputium is a prepositional governing
compound, that is, the foreskin is that which is at the front of the
*pu:t(o)- "penis." "

2. "Now prepositional governing compounds are frequently
characterized in Latin by the addition of the suffix -i- or -iyo- to
the second, governed member of the compound, for example, grex >
egregius, clavus > praeclavium, norma > enormis. Thus the fact that
praeputium ends in -ium is certainly to be attributed to its
membership in the class of prepositional governing compounds"

ALL above assertions are false in my opinion

1.a *pu:tium could be a simple -yo- compound formed LONG BEFORE a
construction with prae- has appeared:

He have plenty of such example in Latin like:
Latin o:stium < Latin o:s 'mouth' < PIE *h3oh1-s-o
Latin pretium < PIE *pre-t-yo-

 

Marius
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(tsalam? t?ob)

I don't think these examples are a refutation of Assertion 2.

 

Latin pretius is verb with *e > noun derivative : pre > pre-t-yo

I see no reason why o:stium could not be the same *h3eh1-s-t-yo (with -e-)

(I keep this root H3_H1, although I am sceptical it could exist)

 

I believe one problem is analysing prae-pu:tium is the grammatical status of pu: or pu:t. Is this a verb or a noun ?

It looks like a noun : *pu:t

If we accept connection with salaput(t)ium whatever sala- is,

then instable -tt- points toward [ ?+t ] as underlying phonemes;

Hence possibly : *pu?t- "membrum virile"

 

this root can also explain Germanic *fukk- < *pu?-k

with a different suffix.

 

Arnaud