From: Rick McCallister
> Because of the vocalic poverty of PIE, many terms email@example.com<mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>
> quite disparate meaning became, for all intents,
> identical in form, which lead to associations by
> form even when the semantics were completely
> An occasional word of a 'kiss' is English is 'peck',
> I would, however, be rather amazed if any root
> meaning 'kiss' could develop into meaning 'fuck'. It
> simply does not make sense semantically, IMHO.
> The hidden premise here is, I think, that oral to
> genital contact is suggested. I firmly believe that
> until indoor plumbing and civilized hygiene, genital
> to genital contact was almost exclusively the rule.
> Even male homosexual activity was probably almost
> exclusively anal to genital contact.
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> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:59 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: ficken
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> Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=kiss<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=kiss>)
> > No, it's you who is enforcing things. Show me
> one language in which a
> > verb referring to copulation evolved
> semantically into 'kiss'. The
> > opposite (i.e. the euphemistic use of "innocent"
> vocabulary) is
> > commonplace -- see below.
> > Piotr
> "Kissing, as an expression of affection or love,
> is unknown among many
> races, and in the history of mankind seems to be a
> late substitute for
> the more primitive rubbing of noses, sniffing, and
> licking." [Buck,
> I quotes this from the discussion on the etymology
> of English kiss
> but is quite the same discussion
> (please see it at
> So this *puk^- (from originally 'to punch, to
> sting' etc...) has
> described, initially, different contacts with
> sexual connotations ...
> maybe also (why not?) all of them, in one term.
> I think that this was the original meaning of 'the
> sexual connotations'
> of *puk^-
> This means also that the contacts, at that time,
> (including what we
> could consider today as 'kisses') weren't quite
> 'pure soft contacts'
> From there, I don't see any issue that puk^-
> became in time either 'to
> fuck' or 'to kiss'