Re: Sard

From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 51576
Date: 2008-01-20

Nice article by the doctor but there is nothing in it which suggests that men have not been eating cereal grains since they came down from the trees. Our evolutionary success is tied to the fact that men will eat anything that does not eat them first.
 
Man, the hunter, the keen observer of animal behavior, would have certainly noticed rut, and the regularly timed appearance of animal births after it.
 
I, personally, have no doubt that seeds and roots were collected to be eaten long before the idea of agriculture developed. In fact, _why_ would agriculture have developed at all if men were not collecting and eating what they later cultivated?
 
Accordingly, there is no real reason to suppose that the PIE's, at any stage of their wanderings, ever had a need to borrow terminology for ejaculation. Whether a given group recognized the connection between internal ejaculation (coition) and pregnancy or not (I can hardly believe any did not though they did believe pregnancy could be caused, in addition, by other agencies, such as the wind), male ejaculate externally as well. You think they needed to borrow a word from another language of a people practicing agriculture? I think that is plainly silly.
 
You are making an unwarranted leap from the particular (gluten rich wheat) to the general (all cereal grains). Had the English sent the Irish rye, would they have died in droves?
 
You seem to want to connect gluten intolerance to the 'noble hunter' but the truth is, anyone with gluten intolerance is defective since a widely available source of nutrition is prohibited to them.
 
 
Patrick 
----- Original Message -----
From: tgpedersen
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] Sard

I think it is fairly obvious that
> > Semitic z-r is cognate with IE *ser-, 'flow rapidly, *ejaculate).
>
> I think it's fairly obvious they are loans which are cognate and which
> arrived with the technology in which they make sense, namely
agriculture.
>
> ***
>
> I think it is not obvious at all.
>
> Humans ate seeds before they ever planted them.
>

No, they didn't.
http://tech. groups.yahoo. com/group/ cybalist/ message/6703
http://tinyurl. com/2mzntr
We weren't meant to feed on the seeds of grasses.

> Since all men eat grain, a loanword were hardly ever be necessary.

From the date most men began to eat grain, a word for 'fertilize,
conceive' became necessary. The idea that the male actually has
something to do with reproduction began with the first agriculture.

Torsten