Re: PIE-Arabic Correspondences (was Brugmann's Law)

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--- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@ msn.com> wrote:
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Ryan : IE *kWrey-, buy; Arabic Sarâ/yaSrî, buy

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This PIE root is not clear.

 

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Not clear? There are hundreds of PIE roots of the form *C-C-y.

 

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And *kwrey is just an infix variant of *kw_y_H_

 

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PIE does _not_ have infixes!

 

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Which may be the fusion of two roots.

The meaning is not "to buy". (anachronistic)

 

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The meaning of which "is not "to buy""?

 

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Arabic 1 qâyadh? "to barter,  to exchange goods"

Greek tî-ô "to estimate, to honour"

Arabic qîma "cost, value" = Greek tîmê

Arabic 2 qad?aya "to pay back (a crime, a debt), to judge"

Greek "tînô" and poenâ "punishment"

 

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No relationship whatsoever.

 

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Ryan : IE *kWe:i- (<- *kWeiH-), pay attention to; Arabic
> SâHa /yaSîHu, do anything carefully

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The core meaning of *kw_H is to look at,

CF. to show, etc

Not the same meaning.

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Almost identical.

 

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> IE *kWoi-, *kWi:- (*for *kWe:i- [*kWeiH-]) - cf. Old
> Indian ke:ta, will, desire, intention, challenge,
> invitation), desire, invite; Arabic Sâ?a/yaSâ?u,
> will, wish, desire

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Which number in Pokorny ?

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> IE *kWe/e:d-, *kWo/o:d- (older *kewed-?),
> approximately prick (prickle, point), bore, whet,
> sharpen, drive on, antagonize; Arabic
> SaTTa / yaSi/uTTu, to be far away, wrong someone,
> penetrate into

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PIE root is kweH-

impossible.

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The root is *kWed-

 

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> IE (*kewep-:)*kwe: p- (for *(s)kwe:up-) , *kw6p-,
> *ku/u:p-, smoke, roil, boil, also mentally in
> turmoil, in violent motion, *desire (cf. Latin
> cupio:, desire, and Greek skopéo:, look at); Arabic
> Sâfa/yaSûfu, see, *desire (cf. Sawfun, strong
> desire)
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Meanings are different

 

Arnaud
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The root is *kWeu-p-, and the meanings can be easily semantically related.

 

 

Patrick

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