Re: Brugmann's Law

From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 51329
Date: 2008-01-16

 
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The ultimate PIE root is *ka(:)r-, 'hard'; to it, either -*bhi, 'animal', or -*pi, 'insect', may be added as in *embhi-/*empi- .
Semitic has chose -*bh(i); PIE has chosen -*pi in this word.
They are related but only through *ka(:)r- probably because -*bh(Ii) was used for 'crab'.
PCR
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Arnaud
Impossible.
The -k- in skorpion is unvoiced because of s-.
Otherwise from q, one should expect -g- (no fuzzy law in that case)
This root for "skorpion" is : k?_r_p.
And the assumption that -p "must" be a suffix is superficial
-r- can also be an infix
More data is needed to see clear.
And there is no need to re-analyse k?_r_p = "scorpion"
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Arabic <q> represents PIE *k, *k^, *g, or *g^, depending on its source.
 
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It had at least these.
And some others.
"Laryngeals" is a misleading word
Not all disappeared phonemes are "laryngeal"
they are functionally "laryngeal" but phonetically
they are not "laryngeal".
Arnaud
 
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What in Heaven's name is "functionally 'laryngeal'" ?
PCR
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H2 is a class of proto-phonemes that :
- colors in /a/, what is described by *e in orthodox PIE
 
This class of phonemes includes :
- ? & h (functionally + phonetically laryngeal)
- z dz s? ts? (only functionally laryngeal)
 
I hope this can meet your level of understanding.
 
Arnaud
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Sorry, I cannot get down low enough to reach your level.
 
The idea that z/dz/s?/ts?/ produce effects analogous with *H is truly dysfunctional.
 
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This is non sense
Not a word of it is worth considering
Arnaud
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A judgment of nonsense from a person who cannot spell the word is hardly confidence inspiring.
Patrick
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That reminds me of a sentence about Nixon :
"this is not a man : he's a word-processor. "
 
What about confidence-inspirin g with <-> ?
Does it tell about the author ?
Arnaud
 
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Since I have never used "<->" to indicate anything, I cannot say.
 
Patrick
 
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