Re: Thüringen (Was: -leben/-lev/-löv and -ung-)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> What do you think of the name Thuringia? cf
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/29509

where you wrote:

> Not to forget the Hermunduri < some Iranian dialect *erman-dur-

"Tur-

> people", replaced later by the translation Thuringi, later Doringi,
> ie. þur-inga-, of which the earliest contingent ended up as Tungri

in

> Tongern (note that the /t/ is _not_ yet Grimm-shifted!), cf

Tacitus'

> remark that those they first called Germani later turned out to be
> Tungri, to be understood as just another group among the Germani.

The

> reality behind this is that as the Romans decimate the

Nordwestblock

> peoples, more and more join the "Germanic cause" and also language,
> for obviously practical reasons. A linguistic polarisation, in

other

> words.

AFAIK the latest entry on "Thüringer" in the Reallexikon der
germanischen Altertumskunde on the whole rejects the traditionally
drawn link between this people and Hermunduri, both historically and
archaeologically. Besides, what I did never understand is how
[Hermun]duri could have evolved to Thur[ingi] phonetically. On
another list I was told that the name Thüringen ceased to be used
ca. 13th-14th ct. and was brought back to life about 1800. We should
take this fact into account considering the anlaut-th in Thüringen.
It may well have been rather an ornamental way of writing [t]. By
the way, what do you hold of the idea of Sanskrit tura-
"swift", "powerful" as cognate to [Hermun]-duri and/or Thuringi
(I don't remember where I saw it)?

> and earlier on the same subject. There is something odd about a

whole

> syllable, *-na-, not just a nasal, disappearing between West

Germanic

> and North Germanic.
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/33888

I'll have to look closer into it.