Re: Cimbri Name = the thieves

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From: Rick McCallister

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:12 AM

Subject: Re: Re: [tied] Re: Cimbri Name = the thieves

To me /ö/ is the sound of German schön, which is most
definitely not the sound of French peu --which to me
sounds like the vowel in English <book> or the vowel
Liverpuddlians use instead of /@/

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A.F.

German /ö/ is long in schön, sh-ö::-n

The vowel in French peu pö is basically the same, but short and without any "low" and "dark" tone. Sometimes German nearly sounds like sh-w-ö::-n with -w- start, something that does not occur in French.

there is absolute certainty that the vowel in book has nothing to do with peu.

You must be kidding.

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--- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@ wanadoo.fr>
wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick McCallister
> To: cybalist@... s.com
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:40 PM
> Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: [tied] Re:
> Cimbri Name = the thieves
>
>
> Some dialects of English still have /ü/: in parts
> of
> Appalachia and some dialects of Scotland;
>
> ============
>
> Rick Mc Callister wrote :
>
> I'd think most dialects of English have /ö/
>
>
>
> A.F
>
> This is quite a strange point of view about
> English,
>
> As far as concerned, having closed ö in French peu
> and
>
> open ö in French peur,
>
> I would conclude that most (if not all modern
> English dialects)
>
> do not have anything like that.
>
> English modern dialects have a central non rounded
> vowel, like in the word <purr>
>
> not a front rounded vowel. English purr [për] does
> not rhyme with French peur [pöR].
>
> Just ask an English native speaker to utter the
> French word <feuillure> [föjüR]
>
> and you will know what French /ö/ and /ü/ are
> about.
>
> I guess 99,99 % English native speakers will fail
> to utter anything understandable to a French native
> speaker, with no knowledge of English.
>
> I know this from experience : [föjüR] is not
> [fëjuwr]. I have seen English colleagues failing to
> be understood. Modern English language has nothing
> like /ö/.
>
> ============ =====
> But I ask if Celtic languages have these sounds. I
> don't think Gaelic, Welsh and Cornish have /ü/ and
> I
> don't know about /ö/
>
> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@... com> wrote:
>
> >
> > >
> http://www.davidkfa ux.org/Cimbri- Chronology. pdf
> > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Cimbri
> > > Perhaps one ought to add a sixth 'possiblity'
> in
> > the latter article,
> > > like this:
> > > 6) The Cimbri were Celtic-speaking like most
> of
> > Northern Europe at the
> > > time; the Germanic language arrived from the
> east
> > into the later
> > > Germania only around 50 - 1 BCE.
> >
> > BTW there's the old observation that the +high,
> > +round vowels [ü, ö
> > ..] are found only in languages spoken in
> previously
> > Celtic-speaking
> > areas: English (formerly), Dutch, French,
> German;
> > but North Germanic
> > has those vowels too.
> >
> >
> > Torsten
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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