From: Rick McCallister
Message: 50528
Date: 2007-11-20
> At 7:19:56 PM on Monday, November 19, 2007, Rick____________________________________________________________________________________
> McCallister
> wrote:
>
> > --- "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:
>
> >> At 11:53:19 AM on Monday, November 19, 2007,
> tgpedersen
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick
> McCallister
> >>> <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
>
> >>>> Some dialects of English still have /ü/: in
> parts of
> >>>> Appalachia and some dialects of Scotland;
>
> >> Not still, but again, if you're thinking of OE
> /y/. The
> >> OE front rounded vowels were lost in the North;
> the later
> >> Northern front rounded vowels had other sources.
>
> > True but they do exist in some forms of Scots and
> in
> > southern Appalachia, where <new> comes out as /nü/
> or
> > /ny/ if you wish
>
> I know; I was objecting to 'still', not to the
> statement
> that there are varieties with front rounded vowels.
>
> >>>> I'd think most dialects of English have /ö/
>
> >> That seems unlikely, if you mean present-day
> dialects.
>
> > In English /@/ + /R/ produces /öR/ or /ö/ in most
> > dialects, or at least the vowel is
> indistinguishable from
> > German /ö/
>
> You seem to be confusing slants with brackets. Do
> you mean
> that /&R/ is realized as [ö(R)]? If so, I
> altogether
> disagree: the vowel is definitely not [ö] in most
> dialects.
> If not, I can't make any sense of the statement,
> since most
> English varieties have no phoneme /ö/.
>
> Brian
>
>
>