Re: Swallow Hirundo=Khelidon ?

A.F :

Two interesting loan-words exist in Uralic Moksha Mordvin :

Wolf : *vrk- hence Moksha vrg-az (r is voiced and syllabic)

Swallow : *KrH-t hence Moksha krxt-ja(ks) or krxt-aga

rx is something like : rsh starts like r but become unvoiced and spirant

r and rx are two different phonemes.

rx in "swallow" suggests that "something" was there.

Initial status of K is lost : could be g or k or k? or whatever.

These loan-words are supposed to be from Iranian languages.

Comparison with *gheli:d- yields a skeleton : *gh_l/r_H-.

Long i: from i+H-

Looks like a PIE word for "swallow".

Turcic languages have something like *qar-lak for swallow-bird.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Piotr Gasiorowski

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 6:11 PM

Subject: Re: [tied] Swallow Hirundo=Khelidon ?

On 2007-10-18 16:34, Joao S. Lopes wrote:

> Is there any relation between Latin and Greek names for swallow, Hirundo
> and Khelidon?
>
> hirundo: < *gHirundon-, *gHirondon-
> khelidon < *gHelidon-

Gk. kHeli:dó:n seems to reflect *kHeli(:)d-wo: n (attested with a digamma
as a female personal name), which complicates the comparison.

Piotr