Re: Fw: [tied] Re: "As" ["Those of the East" after all?"]

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> > > (A.F.) No Tokharians or whatever IE involved in
> YueZhi
> > > history.
> >
> > GK: Which (if true,and despite your
> investigations
> > this seems far from proven) merely means that
> > historians worth their salt should rely on the
> > information provided by the Chinese Chronicles
> > independently of the meaning of "Yuezhi", and
> accept
> > Central Asian and Greek "hearsay" with respect to
> > ethnic labels(recorded by Strabo, Justin et al.)
> as
> > more reliable than Chinese "hearsay" (:=))).
> > Somebody needs a refresher course in a great many
> > 101's. Over and out.
>
> If the 'Ashina' connection is relevant, the whole
> *ans- (sorry,
> George!) affair might identify not a single people
> with a single
> language, but a clan which ruled various peoples
> with various
> languages at various times.

>
>
> Torsten

****GK: Ah yes, the "Ashina connection" indeed.
Putting Turkic she-wolves aside, (Turks are not
attested until the 6th c. AD) we have an interesting
point recently made by Carter Findley on p.39 of his
"The Turks in World History" (2002). It seems that the
Turkic "Ashina" is a term borrowed from the language
of the Scythians(Saka) of Khotan. These Scythians BTW
used to live in the Ili Valley of Kazakhstan whence
many of them were ousted by none other than the Yuezhi
ca. 162 BCE, fleeing southward in large numbers (some
groups eventually winding up in India). In Khotanese
Saka (one of the very few Scythian languages we have
decent documentation about) "A:s"s"e(i)na" means "deep
blue". In the traditional steppe geographic scheme,
"blue" is the colour of the east, of the dawn. ****

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