Re: Swallow Hirundo=Khelidon ?

From: tgpedersen
Message: 50360
Date: 2007-10-18

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@> wrote:
> >
> > On 2007-10-18 16:34, Joao S. Lopes wrote:
> >
> > > Is there any relation between Latin and Greek names for
> > > swallow, Hirundo and Khelidon?
> > >
> > > hirundo: < *gHirundon-, *gHirondon-
> > > khelidon < *gHelidon-
> >
> > Gk. kHeli:d├│:n seems to reflect *kHeli(:)d-wo:n (attested with a
> > digamma as a female personal name), which complicates the
> > comparison.

Metathesis from *-wd- ?
> >
> I think that to some kind of the same root leads as well Alb. (g.)
> dallandyshe/(t.) dall├źndyshe 'swallow' < *g'hol-ont- (*g'h- > d-,
> l > ll / V_V) probably through late interpretation of formant -ont-
> in -dyshe 'two parts'. As far as I know there is no consensus that
> PIE languages have had common word for 'swallow'.

Check the 'swallow' words of
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/25888

The 'prothetic a' of Schrijver's language of bird names has been
tentatively identified by some as a Semitic vel sim.(?) definite
article, *Ha- or the like. These latest examples don't disprove that.

Another puzzle: *h1reudh-ro- "red" is a bona fide PIE root;
*(a)r(a)ud- "copper" is a bona fide language of bird names root. How
does that fit together? Are all PIE nominal roots with a prothetic
laryngeal suddenly possible loans? And if so, are Caland suffixes
like *-ro- characteristic of loans?

*Golond- >
*Gola~o- (note the nice Portuguese-type nasal glide) >
*Golawd- ?


Torsten