From: Francesco Brighenti
> Link to Perseus ?According to Herodotus (Histories 7.61) the Persian kings were said
> ----- Mensagem original ----pa:rs'va-
> De: Francesco Brighenti <frabrig@...>
> Para: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 18 de Outubro de 2007 10:00:10
> Assunto: [tied] Re: etymology of Persian
> --- In cybalist@... s.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@>
> > The meaning of OPer. pa:rsa- is just 'Persia(n)'; <parþava-
> > 'Parthia(n)' is probably related (as are Pahlavi and Pashto).
> > There are early references in foreign sources to the
> > Parsuwas (according to Assyrian texts, in the area of Lake Van)
> > and RV Pars'u-. The Ir. prototype would be something like
> > *parc'u-/*pa: rc'wa-, matching the Indo-Iranian word for 'rib,
> > side' so well (cf. Skt. párs'u-, Av. p&r&su- 'rib', Skt.
> > 'side, flank', Oss. fars 'side') that the etymology 'borderYou
> > people' makes good sense.
> According to M. Witzel, Old Persian pa:rsa- 'Persian' < Iranian
> *pa:rsva- < Indo-Iranian *pa:rc'ua-. In the reconstructed Indo-
> Iranian proto-form *pa:rc'ua-, /*c'/ denotes a a voiceless
> unaspirated primary palatal stop, and /*u/ denotes a glide [*w].
> can transcribe it as *pa:rc'wa- if you deem it necessary. It seemsthis
> very likely that /*u/ was still a glide in Proto-Indo-Iranian.
> The still controversial identification of the R.gvedic term pars'u-
> (see RV 8.6.46, 10.86.23 for the two only occurrences of this term
> as an uncompounded proper name in Old Indo-Aryan) with Old Persian
> pa:rsa- was first proposed by A. Ludwig about 150 years ago. É.
> Pirart ("Les noms des Perses", _Journal Asiatique_ 283 ,
> pp. 57-68, abstract at <http://tinyurl. com/2jobpr>) argues that
> R.gvedic proper name probably refers to the mother of theancestors
> of the twenty original Persian tribes by alluding to themiraculous
> way they were born: as Indra and the Buddha did, through the ribsgrief."
> (Old Indo-Aryan pars'u- 'rib', pa:rs'va- 'the region of the
> ribs, side, flank').
> Cf. RV 10.86.23:
> http://www.sacred- texts.com/ hin/rigveda/ rv10086.htm
> "Daughter of Manu, Pars'u bare a score of children at a birth.
> Her portion verily was bliss although her burthen caused her
> In sum, the composers of the above indicated R.gvedic hymns would
> have changed an eastern Iranian ethnonym they were aware of,
> possibly (Proto-Iranian? ) *Pa:rsva 'Persian', into a mythological
> name coinciding with the Old Indo-Aryan term for 'rib(s), pars'u-
> /pa:rs'va-. If proved true, this interpretation could attest for
> existence of an Iranian ethnonym *Pa:rsva (later > Old Persianpara armazenamento!
> Pa:rsa) in the late second millennium BCE.
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