Re: "As"

From: george knysh
Message: 50321
Date: 2007-10-17

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh
> <gknysh@...> wrote:
> >
> > Don't remember if I asked this before. Couln't
> find
> > anything in my notes. Is there an Iranic meaning
> to
> > the term "As" (et sim.) which is behind the
> > designation of modern Ossetians (and Alanic
> forebears)
> > in other languages?
>
> Copied from the Indo-Iranian list (maybe you would
> want to join it?)
> "
> Re: "As"
>
> --- In indo_iranian@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen"
> <tgpedersen@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > In the group cybalist. George Knysh asked the
> following:
> > "Don't remember if I asked this before. Couln't
> find
> > anything in my notes. Is there an Iranic meaning
> to
> > the term "As" (et sim.) which is behind the
> designation
> > of modern Ossetians (and Alanic forebears)in other
> > languages?"
> >
> > There was no reply yet. Can anybody help with an
> Iranian
> > etymology here?
>
> I can't really help, but I have wondered about the
> same
> question myself for a long time.
>
> 'Asy' in Iron, 'Asi' or 'Assi' in Digoron, is the
> Ossetic
> designation for Balkaria, and is supposed to go back
> to a
> time when the region was inhabited by the As. The
> Ossetes
> nowadays, however, don't seem to recognize it as
> their own
> former name.
>
> I've wondered if there isn't some connection to the
> Iron
> 'as' and Digoron 'asæ', for which Abaev gives
> 'velic^ina',
> 'rost', 'vozrast'. Doesn't the root of Germanic
> 'teuta-'
> have a similar meaning?
>
> David [Russel Watson]
> "
>
>
> Torsten

****GK:Thanks for this. I've been gathering points
here and there, but am unsure of their relevance.
AFAIK the Alan/As/Os make their entrance into history
in connection with the "Scythian" assaults on the
Graeco-Bactrian Kingdom (already in the mid-3rd c. BCE
acc. to Justin/Trogus Prol.ad c. 41). Recent
excavations near Samarkand have unearthed a "Scythian
friendship goblet" (similar to depictions on Pontic
vases and statements in Herodotus) with names
inscribed. One has been deciphered as
"Oshyan"('ws"y'n)
(="favoured by Dawn") and is deemed "la plus ancienne
inscription sogdienne" by Frantz Grenet. Ushah was the
Avestan Goddess of the Morning. I was wondering if
this "Osh" in the Sogdian name could be related to the
Alan ethnonym, which would then mean something like
"(those) of the east"...In contrast to "those of the
west" (=aorsi). Makes sense historically, but is it
linguistically tenable? ****












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