Re: Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

From: michelmrvn
Message: 50210
Date: 2007-10-02

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>
wrote:
>
> For some strange reason, some loanwords that are
> reputedly Etruscan have voiced stops: balteus, subulo.
> I don't know if the Romans saw the Etruscan dichotomy
> of aspirated and non-aspirated unvoiced stops and
> tried to parallel it with their own dichotomy of
> voiced vs. unvoiced.
> The long vowel could possibly represent the strong
> initial stress in Etruscan.
> Regarding relationship with Basque, Moretti and his
> crew see Etruscan as related to Basque.
> I plead ignorance on all counts.
> Fill me in gentlemen --and any ladies present. And by
> the way, why don't I see any women on this list?

Moretti is an amateur and his "vasconic" reconstructions or
comparisons are unsound.

Michel.
>
>
> --- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rick McCallister
> > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [tied]
> > Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian
> >
> >
> > I've read that Latin i:dus is a loanword. Some
> > claim
> > it's from Etruscan.
> >
> > ===============
> >
> > A.F
> >
> > Meillet rejects the hypothesis inherited from some
> > Roman grammairians that it is a loanwords from
> > Etruscan. See the Dictionnaire étymologique de la
> > langue latine.
> >
> > I think he is right to reject this idea.
> >
> > i:du:s with two longs vowels and a voiced -d-
> > doesn't look like a possible Etruscan word. And
> > Basque has -l- in this word not -d- (=PIE).
> >
> > ===========
> >
> >
> > Sanskrit ni:ra --is this the same as Hindi nil
> > "blue"?
> >
> > --- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I will get back to what really matters : DATA.
> > >
> > > My point of view : I have already made clear.
> > >
> > > Point 1 :
> > > PIE inherited a set of four vowels :
> > > *i *u *a (written as <e> by tradition) *o
> > >
> > > Point 2 :
> > > Innovative morphological processes within PIE
> > > have lead to a situation where :
> > > 1. vowel *i and consonant *y
> > > 2. vowel *u and consonant *w
> > > about function in the same way.
> > >
> > > (And this applies to many Chamito-Semitic
> > languages
> > > as well)
> > > ============
> > > Point 1 is demonstrated by :
> > >
> > > A : root y_d "full" moon
> > > Basque (h)il
> > > Latin i:d-u:s
> > > Egyptian yid-aH
> > >
> > > Basque never treats *i as -y-.
> > > A clear case of vowel *i.
> > >
> > > B : root n_y_l "night"
> > > Sanscrit ni:ra
> > > Arabic layla.
> > >
> > > In Arabic, Point 2 also applies
> > > but Sanscrit has no historical process
> > > that could explain why a short *i could become
> > long
> > > i:
> > > So we are sure that in this root we are dealing
> > with
> > > *-y- not *i
> > >
> > > A case of vowel *i, unexplainable otherwise.
> > >
> > > the rare scheme *i_a is an archaic variant of
> > *o_a,
> > > exceedingly rare in PIE but frequent in
> > > Chamito-Semitic.
> > >
> > > C
> > > a lot of Greek lexemata :
> > > i-kn-u / i-gn-u / i-skh-nos / i-khthu:s / etc
> > > ===
> > > All these data have *i and *u as vowels not
> > > consonants.
> > >
> > > ==============
> > > Next :
> > >
> > > Gotic has the word
> > > tr-u-dan : to tread (Streitberg 1920 : page 302
> > > "treten)
> > >
> > > How do you account for the fact that this Gotic
> > word
> > > OBVIOUSLY is from root *tr_d, with -u- as vowel.
> > >
> > > Streitberg calls this : "unreg. Ablaut"
> > > This is a hole in the orthodox theory of PIE
> > > apophony.
> > >
> > > Neither Gotic nor Greek abide by the orthodox
> > > theory.
> > >
> > > =================
> > >
> > > Somebody previously wrote : "we know who is who
> > > around here".
> > >
> > > I am confident that in a very near future,
> > > people will be able to tell who actually
> > >
> > > "knows nothing and only writes for an excuse to
> > > insult with his very dull wit."
> > >
> > > I am not afraid about the ultimate judgment that
> > > will come from this polemic,
> > > So far, I have provided many examples, in favor
> > of
> > > my point of view,
> > > I am confident that in the end, people will
> > judge
> > > facts and data.
> > >
> > > My point of view is clear
> > > and so are my examples.
> > >
> > > I have already won the fight, and you have lost,
> > >
> > > The End.
> > > =======================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Patrick Ryan
> > > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:32 AM
> > > Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: Re: Re: Re:
> > > Re: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as
> > > Vasco-Caucasian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: fournet.arnaud
> > > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:49 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [tied]
> > > Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Patrick Ryan
> > > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:30 PM
> > > Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: Re: Re:
> > > Re: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as
> > > Vasco-Caucasian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ***
> > >
> > > What has been "killed" is the expectation that
> > > Arnaud has any understanding of the meaning of
> > > 'verbal'.
> > >
> > > ===================
> > > A.F
> > >
> > > Most roots cannot be separated as verbal or
> > > nominal.
> > >
> > > ***
> > >
> > > A statement that is ignorance personified.
> > >
> > > In any case, it is certainly not true of PIE,
> > >
> > > PCR
> > > ***
> > > What is more : in most cases,
> > > it is the vocalic scheme that gives the final
> > > grammatical status to
> > > the compound : Consonant root + Vocalic
> > > scheme.
> > >
> > > It is true with PIE :
> > > dh_H1 + vowel /e/ = a verb
> > > dh_H1 + vowel /o/ = a noun.
> >
> === message truncated ===
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