Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 50019
Date: 2007-09-21

 
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From: Piotr Gasiorowski
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Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 12:01 PM
Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

fournet.arnaud pisze:
> So if we sum up that theory,
> Tokharian lost the generic I.E word *pisk- "fish"

How did you figure out it was a generic PIE word? It's found in Italic,
Celtic and Germanic.

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Italic + Celtic = Western PIE

Germanic = Eastern PIE

so it must be general PIE

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Cognates of *lok^so-, by the way, have a wider
distribution than either of the other terms.

> and then lost the generic eastern I.E word *T-gheu "fish" ,
> so that some unknown language got there in Central Asia

Why in Cental Asia? Ringe argues that the Tocharian 'fish' word is one
of the oldest borrowings detectible in the language, older than the bulk
of Iranian loans in Tocharian. It may have been borrowed somewhere in
Eastern Europe before the eastward migration of the Proto-Tocharian
speakers.

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Tokharian obviously is a far-off eastern PIE off-shoot.

It has nothing to do in Eastern Europe,

unless all the rest of PIE is in Western Europe,

which I won't even contemplate a second.

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> to make sure Tokharian could borrow the word *laks "salmon",
> and misinterpret this loanword as meaning "fish".

What's so strange about is? Slavic has the otherwise unknown innovation
*ryba (possibly a colour term, originally) as the generic word for
'fish' and almost no trace of *d(H)g^Huh1- .

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Even very basic vocabulary
can be replaced with loans and newly coined words, like English <animal>
or <beast> (both borrowed) for PIE *g^Hwer- and Germanic *Deuza- or
<bird> (of God knows what origin) for PIE *hawi- and Germanic *fuGla-.

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I don't understand what you mean !?

I agree any word including pronouns or basic vocabulary is liable to be replaced.

So what ?

 

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Piotr