Re: RE : [tied] Re: North of the Somme

From: george knysh
Message: 49701
Date: 2007-08-30

--- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:


>
> My own view is that the Somme-Marne boundary of
> "Gallia Belgica" (DBG 1:1) was basically political
> rather than ethnic or linguistic.
>
> A.F
>
> this notion of a "political" boundary is a
> complete projection of modern times' Nation-States
> after the French Revolution of 1789.

****GK: Only for minds who identify "political" with
the modern nation-state. ****
>
>
> Immediately north of
> it resided tribal groups just as "Celtic" or
> "Gallic"
> (if you will) as those of Gallia Celtica, but
> politically associated to, and frequently
> subordinate
> to the northern "invaders" (which explains to me
> Caesar's wording in DBG 1:1). At least half and
> perhaps more than half of the population of Gallia
> Belgica was Gaulish, from the Bellovaci, Remi, and
> Suessiones to the Viromandui and Atrebates.
>
> My view
> (which Torsten is welcome not to share) is that
> everything north and east of the
> Atrebates/Viromandui
> was Germanic-speaking in Caesar's time.
>
> ===================
>
> A.F :
>
> Such an hypothesis crashes on the hard fact that
> many toponyms in this supposed "Germanic" speaking
> area share the same lexical roots and same
> gallo-roman-epoch mould as the typonyms south of
> this place. "Germanic" people arrived later.

****GK: As did "Gallo-Romans". One needs to study the
history of this area after the Roman conquest. There
were some population shifts subsequent to Caesar's
genocidal exercises. We're talking about the situation
in 58 BC.****
>
> And to suppose "Germanic" requires to identify
> which "Germanic" language is involved (ter
> repetitas) ?

****GK: Were there already clearly distinct Germanic
languages in 58 BC? I won't bother to repeat points
which you systematically ignore in pursuit of your
idee fixe.****





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