Re: *-t-, put

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> On 2007-07-08 19:43, tgpedersen wrote:
>
> > They seem to compete in various linguistic analyses, eg. Germanic
> > weak pret. (traditionally from *dhe:-) and ppp. (traditionally
> > from -t-), where it is a problem since the two forms are obviously
> > related. If one believes in a 'mana kartam' type origin for the
> > pret., as I do, they are both from -t-, but then the obviously
> > verbal reduplication of the Gothic pret.pl. becomes a problem.
>
> What's wrong with the orthodox account of the relationship:
>
> *frawarðiða- ðeðe: > *frawarðiðe: (Goth. frawardida) by haplology
> *frawarðiða- ðe:ðun > *frawarðiðe:ðun (Goth. frawardide:dun)
>
> *wurxta- ðeðe: > *wurxte: (Goth. waúrhta)
> *wurxta- ðe:ðun > *wurxte:dun (Goth. waúrhte:dun)
>
> (where *ðeðe:/*ðe:ðun is the old imperfect of *dHeh1, and the
> original meaning of the univerbated phrase was 'made V-ed'

The haplololology, and the fact that in Germanic (and in the lesser
Iranian languages, by some odd coincidence) the weak preterite and ppp
stems are related; a loss of two syllables should leave a bigger mark
on the preterite.

I think it's
*frawarði- ðða: > *frawarðiðe: (Goth. frawardida)
*frawarði- ðe:ðun > *frawarðiðe:ðun (Goth. frawardide:dun)

*wurx- ðða: > *wurxte: (Goth. waúrhta)
*wurx- ðe:ðun > *wurxte:dun (Goth. waúrhte:dun)

Note Sabellic 3sg prúfatted "probavit" with -tt-. -i- is a prop vowel
also found in Latin -id- 'participles'.

PIE perf.middle 3sg *-to is from (somehow!) *-dho < *-dhdho.


Torsten