Re: [tied] Re: The cat domestication happened more than 100,000 ye

In the name of your eponymous forbear, perhaps you can
give him a Darwin award

--- "C. Darwin Goranson" <cdog_squirrel@...>
wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"
> <alexandru_mg3@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
> <gpiotr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 2007-07-02 00:16, alexandru_mg3 wrote:
> > >
> > > > If the cats really have 100,000 years of
> domestication...
> > >
> > > No, no, they have not. Daniel has already
> explained what the
> > original
> > > article in Science actually says. Some of the
> lineages within the
> > > species _Felis sylvestris_ diverged more than
> 100,000 years ago,
> > but
> > > that happened without human help, long before
> the domestication
> of
> > one
> > > of the wildcat subspecies (_F. s. lybica_). Thae
> authors make it
> > clear
> > > that cats were probably domesticated in the
> agricultural
> > (Neolithic)
> > > setting of the Fertile Crescent. See the
> abstract:
> > >
> > >
>

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1139518

> > >
> > > Piotr
> > >
> >
> >
> > The authors said: "probably domesticated in the
> agricultural
> > (Neolithic) setting)"...This assertion is so vague
> as
> the 'probably'-
> > word is.
> >
> > But the logic here is more simple:
> > 1. Domestication means a new species.
> > 2. No new species later (I mean an important
> group), no
> > domestication later
> >
> > This logic is clear here...doesn't matter what the
> authors said in
> > order not to arrive against "the
> cat-domestication-dogma"
> > (=> 'agricultural->mouse->cat')
> >
> > Marius
>
> To paraphrase someone from the movie "Billy
> Madison": Marius... what
> you just said was one of the most insanely idiotic
> things I have ever
> heard.
> 1) There are domesticated minks. They are still
> minks. They're not a
> different species.
> 2) I have NO IDEA what you mean.
>
> Moreover:
>

http://www.livescience.com/animals/070628_cat_family.html

> The subspecies (Felis silvestris lybica) which
> BECAME the
> domesticated cat, still has wild, never-domesticated
> individuals.
>
>

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