[tied] Re: *-tro-/*-tlo-

--- Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

> stlatos wrote:
>
> > Oh? What about *gYonYxWeye+ > *kYaniyi+ > OE
> cennan?
>
> Wrong. OE cennan 'beget, conceive' contains a
> different root, *g^enh1-!

I'm talking about OE cennan 'make known', ON kenna 'teach, know',
OHG bichennan 'know'. You may argue with the possible derivation and
sound changes I reconstruct, but I don't believe the root is wrong.

The causatives happen to become the same because of sound changes.

> What you could quote instead is the OE
> "preterite-present" cunnan,

That's not what I wanted to talk about as an example.

> > You also
> > didn't object to:
> >
> > *kWen.-x-tro+ > Skt khanítra- 'spade'
> >
> > even though the root appears mostly as *kWn.ax+:
> >
> > G kná:o: 'I scrape'; MIr cnáim 'I chew/gnaw'
>
> In both Greek and Celtic *n.h2 > na:.

But why would only the 0-grade remain in both? What do you say
caused the optional *gYnYoxW+ in PIE? There's also:

*kWn.ax+d+ > Skt kha:d- 'chew'; *kWxan.d+ > Lith kandu 'bite' with
met. like *xakYmo:n. > *kaxmo:n. > OCS kamy.

The kWn. > kWH is also seen in *xukWn.o+ > ukhá-. Skt had ana. kW >
kWH in khanítra- to make the noun follow most of the verb forms (not
Avestan).